1 00:00:38,300 --> 00:00:42,340 It's like this. A dead plaintiff is rarely worth as much 2 00:00:42,374 --> 00:00:45,036 as a living, severely maimed plaintiff. 3 00:00:45,070 --> 00:00:47,645 However, if it's a long, agonizing death, 4 00:00:47,679 --> 00:00:50,221 as opposed to a quick drowning or car wreck, 5 00:00:50,254 --> 00:00:52,666 the value can rise considerably. 6 00:00:52,700 --> 00:00:56,421 A dead adult in his 20s is worth less than a middle-aged one, 7 00:00:56,454 --> 00:00:58,997 a dead woman less than a dead man, 8 00:00:59,030 --> 00:01:01,507 single adults less than married, 9 00:01:01,541 --> 00:01:05,427 black less than white, poor less than rich. 10 00:01:05,461 --> 00:01:08,860 But the perfect victim is a white, male, professional - 11 00:01:08,894 --> 00:01:11,860 40 years old, at the height of his earning power, 12 00:01:11,894 --> 00:01:14,416 struck down in his prime. 13 00:01:14,450 --> 00:01:16,906 And the most imperfect? 14 00:01:16,940 --> 00:01:19,940 Well, in the calculus of personal injury law, 15 00:01:19,974 --> 00:01:22,535 a dead child is worth least of all. 16 00:01:26,221 --> 00:01:27,787 A million dollars he turns down. 17 00:01:27,821 --> 00:01:31,380 - One million dollars! - I don't believe their story. 18 00:01:31,414 --> 00:01:33,667 - It's true. - Come on! 19 00:01:33,700 --> 00:01:36,120 - Hey, Eddie. How you doing? - Good. 20 00:01:36,154 --> 00:01:38,507 Do me a favor - shut the fuck up. 21 00:01:38,540 --> 00:01:42,461 Our banker there doesn't know Jan refused a million. 22 00:01:42,494 --> 00:01:44,576 - Sorry. - Yeah. 23 00:01:47,621 --> 00:01:49,417 Asshole. 24 00:02:10,981 --> 00:02:13,779 How's your head? Up? 25 00:02:17,381 --> 00:02:21,135 How's that? OK? Are you comfortable? 26 00:02:22,421 --> 00:02:24,616 Open? 27 00:02:32,541 --> 00:02:34,736 Here we go. 28 00:02:43,261 --> 00:02:45,252 All rise. 29 00:02:47,021 --> 00:02:49,057 This court is now in session. 30 00:02:49,142 --> 00:02:52,821 The Honorable Constance Mullen presiding. 31 00:02:52,855 --> 00:02:54,812 Would you like some water? 32 00:02:55,261 --> 00:02:57,900 Carney versus Massachusetts General Hospital - 33 00:02:57,981 --> 00:03:00,575 case number 812725. 34 00:03:03,101 --> 00:03:05,775 Attorneys, please state your appearance. 35 00:03:05,862 --> 00:03:07,658 Randolph Woodside, Mass General. 36 00:03:08,701 --> 00:03:10,818 Greg Monk, Massachusetts General Hospital. 37 00:03:11,701 --> 00:03:13,260 Harold Peshniak, Mass General. 38 00:03:14,302 --> 00:03:15,973 Jan Schlichtmann for Paul Carney. 39 00:03:16,062 --> 00:03:19,508 Kevin Conway for Mr Carney, Your Honor. 40 00:03:19,542 --> 00:03:22,692 Mr Schlichtmann, we're ready for your opening statement. 41 00:03:45,702 --> 00:03:48,660 Your Honor, if it please the court, 42 00:03:48,741 --> 00:03:51,620 the parties involved have agreed to a settlement. 43 00:04:59,743 --> 00:05:02,381 Personal injury law has a bad reputation. 44 00:05:02,463 --> 00:05:05,102 They call us ambulance chasers, bottom feeders, 45 00:05:05,182 --> 00:05:08,029 vultures preying on the misfortunes of others. 46 00:05:08,062 --> 00:05:12,136 If that's true, why do I lie awake worrying about my clients? 47 00:05:12,222 --> 00:05:14,942 Why is their pain my pain? 48 00:05:15,022 --> 00:05:19,938 I wish I didn't empathize. It'd be a lot easier. 49 00:05:40,502 --> 00:05:43,256 We're speaking to Jan Schlichtmann, personal injury attorney 50 00:05:43,343 --> 00:05:46,255 and according to Boston magazine - have you seen this? - 51 00:05:46,343 --> 00:05:49,460 one of Boston's ten most eligible bachelors. 52 00:06:02,343 --> 00:06:04,858 Let's go back to the phones. Woburn, you're on the air. 53 00:06:07,464 --> 00:06:08,897 Mr Schlichtmann, it's Anne Anderson. 54 00:06:08,983 --> 00:06:10,895 - Hello. - How are you? 55 00:06:10,983 --> 00:06:13,417 Very well. You? Sounds pretty. 56 00:06:14,464 --> 00:06:16,419 How come you never call me? 57 00:06:16,503 --> 00:06:19,973 - If I had your number, I would. - You have it. 58 00:06:20,063 --> 00:06:23,693 - I do? - You have no idea who I am? 59 00:06:23,783 --> 00:06:26,217 - Is this Ricky? - No. 60 00:06:26,304 --> 00:06:29,454 You see, my son died of leukemia two years ago. 61 00:06:29,544 --> 00:06:32,535 - Your firm is handling the case. - We are? 62 00:06:32,624 --> 00:06:35,343 The reason I'm calling you here 63 00:06:35,423 --> 00:06:40,258 is because my calls to your offices have gone unreturned for weeks. 64 00:06:40,344 --> 00:06:42,574 - Sorry, your name was? - Anne. 65 00:06:42,663 --> 00:06:44,710 - Anne... - Anderson. 66 00:06:44,744 --> 00:06:49,056 I'm writing that down. I'm gonna take care of this. 67 00:06:51,344 --> 00:06:53,061 Why don't you come up to Woburn 68 00:06:53,144 --> 00:06:57,660 and actually meet a few of those people whose pain is your pain? 69 00:07:00,784 --> 00:07:02,422 Let me picture this. 70 00:07:02,503 --> 00:07:06,338 She called you, she cried. You felt sorry and you cried. 71 00:07:06,424 --> 00:07:09,620 - Now she's mad. - It's a good case. 72 00:07:09,704 --> 00:07:12,934 - She's not crying now! - An orphan, but good. 73 00:07:13,024 --> 00:07:16,733 12 deaths over 15 years from leukemia - eight of them children. 74 00:07:16,824 --> 00:07:20,260 - That's unusual? - Statistically. It's a small town. 75 00:07:20,344 --> 00:07:21,743 She lost a child? 76 00:07:22,824 --> 00:07:26,133 They think it's something to do with the city's drinking water 77 00:07:26,224 --> 00:07:28,021 which they say tastes funny. 78 00:07:28,104 --> 00:07:30,110 What was she like before? 79 00:07:30,144 --> 00:07:33,744 - Do want to hear what it's about? - No, I don't! 80 00:07:33,778 --> 00:07:36,212 I'd like to hear about it. 81 00:07:38,344 --> 00:07:40,591 Thank you, Kathy. 82 00:07:40,625 --> 00:07:43,218 There's a report here from state inspectors 83 00:07:43,304 --> 00:07:46,216 saying that the water from two city wells 84 00:07:46,304 --> 00:07:49,614 is contaminated - or was before they shut them down - 85 00:07:49,704 --> 00:07:52,855 with something called... I can't pronounce this... 86 00:07:52,944 --> 00:07:54,980 trichloroethylene... ethylene, 87 00:07:55,064 --> 00:07:57,533 which the EPA lists as a probable carcinogen. 88 00:07:57,624 --> 00:07:59,376 - Stop. - There's more. 89 00:07:59,464 --> 00:08:04,492 No, from a financial standpoint, this is not a sound investment. 90 00:08:04,584 --> 00:08:06,815 Probable is a euphemism for unproven. 91 00:08:06,905 --> 00:08:10,180 To prove something like this, you need new medical research. 92 00:08:10,265 --> 00:08:12,540 Is that our business - medical research? 93 00:08:12,624 --> 00:08:16,902 And... and ask yourself, why is this an orphan? 94 00:08:16,985 --> 00:08:20,260 It's been kicked around before ending up on your desk. 95 00:08:20,345 --> 00:08:22,951 Gordon's right. 96 00:08:22,984 --> 00:08:26,631 I can appreciate the theatrical value of dead kids. 97 00:08:26,664 --> 00:08:31,261 That's good. But that's all it has going for it, and it's not enough. 98 00:08:32,345 --> 00:08:34,300 I'll get rid of it. 99 00:08:35,585 --> 00:08:38,782 I'll... just go up there and... 100 00:08:38,865 --> 00:08:43,016 You'll both start to cry again, she'll be mad at me. 101 00:08:43,105 --> 00:08:47,098 I'll do it. I'll get rid of it. Give it to me. 102 00:08:50,025 --> 00:08:51,617 Thank you. 103 00:09:01,185 --> 00:09:03,141 - There you go, sir. - Thank you. 104 00:09:03,225 --> 00:09:05,022 - Drive careful. - Yeah. 105 00:09:13,265 --> 00:09:15,221 When I stand on my porch, 106 00:09:15,305 --> 00:09:17,261 I can see the houses where children died. 107 00:09:18,865 --> 00:09:22,824 These are the Kanes, the Toomeys, the Zohners, 108 00:09:22,905 --> 00:09:26,534 the Robbins and the Aufieros. 109 00:09:26,625 --> 00:09:29,093 Now, I want to be clear. 110 00:09:29,185 --> 00:09:32,097 I'm not interested in money - none of us are. 111 00:09:32,185 --> 00:09:37,020 What we want is to know what happened. And we want an apology. 112 00:09:37,106 --> 00:09:39,666 - From who? - Whoever did this. 113 00:09:39,745 --> 00:09:43,454 I want somebody to come and say, "We're responsible. 114 00:09:43,545 --> 00:09:46,504 "We didn't mean it, but we're sorry." 115 00:09:46,585 --> 00:09:48,542 But who is that? 116 00:09:50,465 --> 00:09:52,740 Well, we don't know. 117 00:09:52,825 --> 00:09:56,580 Mrs Anderson, our firm is very small, just three attorneys. 118 00:09:56,665 --> 00:09:59,941 We can only take so many cases at once 119 00:10:00,026 --> 00:10:04,258 and we have to be choosy because, frankly, we can't afford to lose. 120 00:10:04,346 --> 00:10:09,180 We pay everything. We only get paid if we win or settle. 121 00:10:09,265 --> 00:10:12,018 - I know. - You want an apology. 122 00:10:12,106 --> 00:10:16,019 And I'd love to get you that apology, but from who? 123 00:10:16,105 --> 00:10:19,781 Who is going to apologize to you and pay me? 124 00:10:19,865 --> 00:10:23,097 There has to be a defendant with very deep pockets. 125 00:10:23,186 --> 00:10:26,258 This is not an inexpensive case to try. 126 00:10:29,425 --> 00:10:31,700 There's an old tannery out there. 127 00:10:31,786 --> 00:10:33,582 A tannery? 128 00:10:33,666 --> 00:10:36,134 And some other small factories. 129 00:10:41,425 --> 00:10:45,180 I really wish I could help you but I can't. I'm sorry. 130 00:10:45,266 --> 00:10:50,738 Maybe you could go out to the river, to the wells, and look. 131 00:10:50,826 --> 00:10:54,455 For what? What would that accomplish? 132 00:10:58,586 --> 00:11:02,545 I do hope you find someone. And I am sorry. 133 00:11:15,186 --> 00:11:18,576 - Thank you very much. - Drive carefully. 134 00:14:13,428 --> 00:14:15,578 It was fate. 135 00:14:15,668 --> 00:14:20,423 I was meant to get that ticket, at that moment, at that exact spot. 136 00:14:21,468 --> 00:14:23,504 Do you know who Beatrice is? 137 00:14:26,788 --> 00:14:28,858 Peter Pan peanut butter, 138 00:14:28,948 --> 00:14:30,222 Tropicana orange juice, 139 00:14:30,308 --> 00:14:31,787 Rosarita Mexican Food, 140 00:14:31,948 --> 00:14:35,736 Swiss Miss cocoa, Samsonite luggage... The list goes on! 141 00:14:35,828 --> 00:14:38,088 - And the other one? - W.R. Grace. 142 00:14:38,122 --> 00:14:40,150 Chemical plants in two dozen states, 143 00:14:40,184 --> 00:14:42,179 South America, Europe and Japan. 144 00:14:42,268 --> 00:14:44,338 - What's this? - The ticket. 145 00:14:44,428 --> 00:14:47,147 No, I've got that right here. 146 00:14:47,228 --> 00:14:51,267 - I got two speeding tickets. - A two-ticket town? 147 00:14:51,348 --> 00:14:53,737 Exactly. Don't take your Caddie there. 148 00:14:53,828 --> 00:14:57,748 Kevin, it's a gold mine. You almost let it get away. 149 00:14:57,782 --> 00:15:00,388 I almost let it get away. 150 00:15:04,549 --> 00:15:07,905 Lawsuits are war - it's as simple as that. 151 00:15:07,988 --> 00:15:11,901 And they begin the same way, with a declaration of war - 152 00:15:11,989 --> 00:15:13,945 the complaint. 153 00:15:14,029 --> 00:15:16,747 When you're a small firm and they're big, 154 00:15:16,829 --> 00:15:18,899 steeped in history and wealth, 155 00:15:18,989 --> 00:15:21,264 with Persian carpets on the floor 156 00:15:21,348 --> 00:15:23,418 and Harvard diplomas on the walls, 157 00:15:23,508 --> 00:15:25,818 it's easy to be intimidated. 158 00:15:25,908 --> 00:15:28,138 Don't - that's what they want. 159 00:15:28,228 --> 00:15:30,948 That's what they expect, like all bullies. 160 00:15:31,028 --> 00:15:33,224 That's how they win. 161 00:15:34,428 --> 00:15:36,783 I don't run away from bullies. 162 00:16:01,949 --> 00:16:03,621 Mr Facher... 163 00:16:03,709 --> 00:16:07,019 Mr Doyle asked me to bring this to you. 164 00:16:17,029 --> 00:16:19,236 When? 165 00:16:19,269 --> 00:16:21,829 - When did he ask me? - Yeah. 166 00:16:21,909 --> 00:16:23,058 Just now. 167 00:16:23,149 --> 00:16:27,701 On your lunch break? That hardly seems fair. 168 00:16:27,789 --> 00:16:32,189 I almost never go to lunch, sir. Too much to do. 169 00:16:32,223 --> 00:16:34,145 I just grab something. 170 00:16:34,230 --> 00:16:37,939 You know, I'd make a point of taking an hour or so 171 00:16:38,029 --> 00:16:40,498 away from all the noise and insanity. 172 00:16:40,589 --> 00:16:41,988 I should do that. 173 00:16:42,069 --> 00:16:45,345 I'd find a place that was relatively quiet and peaceful, 174 00:16:45,430 --> 00:16:47,944 have a sandwich, read a magazine. 175 00:16:48,029 --> 00:16:51,385 Maybe listen to a game if one was on. 176 00:16:53,069 --> 00:16:58,143 I'd make sure everyone knew not to disturb me during that hour. 177 00:16:58,230 --> 00:17:01,666 Because that would be my time - my own private time, 178 00:17:01,750 --> 00:17:05,425 which no-one, if they had any sense of self-preservation, 179 00:17:05,510 --> 00:17:07,466 would dare interrupt. 180 00:17:09,150 --> 00:17:11,140 If I were you. 181 00:17:13,349 --> 00:17:14,385 I'm sorry. 182 00:17:33,150 --> 00:17:35,220 Jesus. 183 00:17:38,709 --> 00:17:40,541 Jesus! 184 00:17:47,670 --> 00:17:50,309 Jesus... 185 00:17:52,750 --> 00:17:56,425 Mr Facher, it's Bill Cheeseman - Foley, Hoag and Elliot. 186 00:17:56,510 --> 00:17:58,148 We represent New York Grace. 187 00:17:58,230 --> 00:18:00,141 How you doing? 188 00:18:00,230 --> 00:18:03,905 Well, all right, I guess, under the circumstances. 189 00:18:03,990 --> 00:18:05,708 What circumstances are those? 190 00:18:05,791 --> 00:18:08,509 Woburn - these outrageous charges. 191 00:18:08,590 --> 00:18:11,866 This bloodsucking ambulance chaser, Schlichtmann. 192 00:18:11,950 --> 00:18:13,429 Who? 193 00:18:13,510 --> 00:18:17,469 We're co-defendants in a lawsuit, Mr Facher, a very serious lawsuit. 194 00:18:17,550 --> 00:18:21,304 - What? - What is that thumping? 195 00:18:23,711 --> 00:18:27,420 Yeah, well, it's gone now. It was driving me crazy! 196 00:18:27,510 --> 00:18:31,060 I was wondering if I could talk to you. 197 00:18:31,150 --> 00:18:35,429 - Could we meet for a drink or... - What's on your mind? 198 00:18:35,510 --> 00:18:38,070 I'll tell you what I'm thinking. 199 00:18:38,150 --> 00:18:41,587 - Are you familiar with Rule 11? - With what? 200 00:18:41,670 --> 00:18:43,866 Rule 11, a civil provision 201 00:18:43,950 --> 00:18:46,862 to prevent frivolous and irresponsible lawsuits like this, 202 00:18:46,950 --> 00:18:49,862 and sanction quite severely those who file them. 203 00:18:51,031 --> 00:18:54,990 Mr... Cheeseman. Cheeseman, is it? 204 00:18:57,470 --> 00:18:59,621 Mr Cheeseman. What is a fine? 205 00:18:59,711 --> 00:19:03,066 You get fined, you pay it and carry on. 206 00:19:03,151 --> 00:19:08,305 If you're gonna knock a guy down, do it so he can't get up again. 207 00:19:11,470 --> 00:19:14,110 What are you looking for with this suit? 208 00:19:14,191 --> 00:19:16,751 Obviously, we're seeking compensation for the families 209 00:19:16,831 --> 00:19:20,221 and punitive damages for willful negligence by these companies. 210 00:19:20,311 --> 00:19:23,269 But is that what this is about - money? 211 00:19:23,351 --> 00:19:26,263 - No. - Is that what matters most? 212 00:19:26,351 --> 00:19:29,024 - No. - It's about this. 213 00:19:32,350 --> 00:19:34,103 And this. 214 00:19:37,431 --> 00:19:39,262 And this. 215 00:19:40,711 --> 00:19:42,303 Yeah. 216 00:19:43,631 --> 00:19:46,703 Yeah, I know, we have no feelings, no compassion, 217 00:19:46,791 --> 00:19:48,702 no empathy for our clients' suffering. 218 00:19:48,792 --> 00:19:50,463 Can I say something? 219 00:19:50,551 --> 00:19:53,270 What does that have to do with anything? 220 00:19:53,351 --> 00:19:55,911 The lawyer who shares his client's pain 221 00:19:55,991 --> 00:19:58,221 does his client such a grave disservice 222 00:19:58,311 --> 00:20:01,621 he should have his license to practice taken away. 223 00:20:01,712 --> 00:20:05,022 It clouds his judgement, and that's as useful 224 00:20:05,111 --> 00:20:08,148 as a doctor who's frightened of blood. 225 00:20:08,231 --> 00:20:09,186 All rise. 226 00:20:10,791 --> 00:20:12,782 This court is now in session. 227 00:20:12,871 --> 00:20:15,944 The Honorable Walter J Skinner presiding. 228 00:20:16,031 --> 00:20:17,988 Is this the only case? 229 00:20:18,071 --> 00:20:20,744 This is a lot of lawyers. 230 00:20:20,832 --> 00:20:22,583 Sit down. 231 00:20:27,271 --> 00:20:31,150 You're looking well. The Red Sox must be in first place. 232 00:20:31,232 --> 00:20:34,190 Roger Clemens is the answer to my prayers. 233 00:20:35,512 --> 00:20:37,422 You have some interest in this case? 234 00:20:37,511 --> 00:20:42,380 I'm a co-defendant, but it's not my motion. It's Foley-Hoag's. 235 00:20:42,471 --> 00:20:44,667 - And that motion? - Your Honor. 236 00:20:44,751 --> 00:20:47,585 - I'm Jan Schlichtmann. - I know. Sit down. 237 00:20:49,432 --> 00:20:51,787 The matter before us seems simple. 238 00:20:51,872 --> 00:20:55,421 - Your Honor, it isn't. - May I hear it? 239 00:20:55,512 --> 00:20:58,370 The intention here is to place me 240 00:20:58,404 --> 00:21:01,230 under a cloud of impropriety. 241 00:21:01,312 --> 00:21:03,542 - Really? - Yes. What they're saying 242 00:21:03,631 --> 00:21:07,864 is that they know law and I don't, they're real lawyers and I'm not. 243 00:21:07,951 --> 00:21:10,067 They're just trying to humiliate me. 244 00:21:10,152 --> 00:21:15,431 You are a personal injury lawyer, aren't you? I think you'll survive. 245 00:21:16,312 --> 00:21:19,782 - See? It's starting already. - No, you've started already. 246 00:21:19,872 --> 00:21:22,102 I'm on the defensive, they're the defendants. 247 00:21:22,192 --> 00:21:25,662 Do you think I might hear this motion 248 00:21:25,752 --> 00:21:29,108 before You explain to ME what it's really about? 249 00:21:30,432 --> 00:21:32,787 - Of course. - Thank you. 250 00:21:34,432 --> 00:21:39,631 Now, Mr... Cheeseman, is it? 251 00:21:43,272 --> 00:21:45,502 Your motion to dismiss is based on? 252 00:21:45,592 --> 00:21:47,344 Rule 11, Your Honor. 253 00:21:47,433 --> 00:21:51,593 Specifically that Mr Schlichtmann had no evidential grounds 254 00:21:51,626 --> 00:21:53,708 on which to bring this suit - 255 00:21:53,792 --> 00:21:58,423 only his knowledge that W.R. Grace Corporation has a lot of money. 256 00:21:58,512 --> 00:21:59,865 Not true. 257 00:21:59,953 --> 00:22:03,992 He performed no real investigation, did no research of any consequence, 258 00:22:04,072 --> 00:22:07,223 except perhaps to review profit statements. 259 00:22:07,312 --> 00:22:11,703 And he's prepared his complaint so inexpertly as to render it moot. 260 00:22:11,793 --> 00:22:15,671 - All untrue. - Do you know what Rule 11 is? 261 00:22:15,752 --> 00:22:19,348 To be honest, Your Honor, I had to look it up. 262 00:22:19,432 --> 00:22:24,950 I'll be honest, so did I. Do you know why, Mr Cheeseman? 263 00:22:25,033 --> 00:22:27,705 Because it is so old and ambiguous 264 00:22:27,792 --> 00:22:31,024 few lawyers waste their time with it, or mine. 265 00:22:31,113 --> 00:22:35,470 It's a non-issue, Mr Cheeseman. Your motion is denied. Thank you. 266 00:22:35,553 --> 00:22:37,305 Thank you. 267 00:22:37,393 --> 00:22:39,827 - Anything else? - No, Your Honor. 268 00:22:39,912 --> 00:22:41,744 Set a trial date. 269 00:22:41,833 --> 00:22:45,462 Excuse me, Mr Facher. I'd like to thank you. 270 00:22:45,552 --> 00:22:49,785 That was very statesman-like of you not to join that ridiculous attack. 271 00:22:51,993 --> 00:22:53,824 You're welcome. 272 00:22:56,953 --> 00:22:59,069 We have to show how 273 00:22:59,153 --> 00:23:02,589 the toxic solvents these factories dumped on the land there, 274 00:23:02,673 --> 00:23:07,463 were drawn into the city wells here and Well H over there, 275 00:23:07,553 --> 00:23:10,147 and then pumped into east Woburn homes. 276 00:23:10,233 --> 00:23:13,589 So I'll need to inspect and map the debris, 277 00:23:13,673 --> 00:23:15,879 drill some monitoring wells, 278 00:23:15,913 --> 00:23:19,480 conduct seismic tests, and so on. 279 00:23:19,514 --> 00:23:23,392 And you're talking about you and a couple of assistants? 280 00:23:23,473 --> 00:23:26,704 No. I mean a team of geologists and engineers. 281 00:23:26,794 --> 00:23:29,944 - A team? - A big team. 282 00:23:33,273 --> 00:23:35,184 It's actually quite exciting. 283 00:23:35,274 --> 00:23:38,869 The nature of the contour here means there's an effect - 284 00:23:38,953 --> 00:23:40,545 named after me, actually... 285 00:23:44,113 --> 00:23:49,141 In the shop, Mr Roberts, you used solvents to clean brushes? 286 00:23:50,713 --> 00:23:55,503 What would you've done with that stuff back in the 1970s and '80s? 287 00:23:55,594 --> 00:24:00,433 - Used solvent? Put it in drums. - 35-gallon drums? 288 00:24:00,467 --> 00:24:02,947 What would you do with full drums? 289 00:24:03,034 --> 00:24:05,594 - Don't know. - They just went? 290 00:24:05,673 --> 00:24:08,710 - Never noticed. - Did you dump them? 291 00:24:08,794 --> 00:24:12,080 - No. - Nothing like that? 292 00:24:12,113 --> 00:24:15,390 - Never noticed anyone who did? - No. 293 00:24:15,473 --> 00:24:18,360 Just disappeared... 294 00:24:18,394 --> 00:24:20,954 What were your duties at Grace, Mr Shalline? 295 00:24:21,033 --> 00:24:26,666 Discharge to the drains. Be sure we weren't polluting the air. 296 00:24:26,754 --> 00:24:32,033 Then you know that chemicals were deposited behind the plant? 297 00:24:32,114 --> 00:24:34,070 I don't know that. 298 00:24:34,154 --> 00:24:36,429 Six barrels of toxic waste 299 00:24:36,513 --> 00:24:40,587 were found there in a pit and exhumed by city inspectors. 300 00:24:40,674 --> 00:24:42,585 - You didn't know? - Nope. 301 00:24:42,674 --> 00:24:47,514 Back in 1965 did you clean metal parts with solvent? 302 00:24:47,548 --> 00:24:48,629 Yes. 303 00:24:48,714 --> 00:24:51,308 - What kind? - That I couldn't say. 304 00:24:51,394 --> 00:24:55,945 Did you ever notice the name trichloroethylene or TCE? 305 00:24:56,034 --> 00:24:57,228 I don't know. 306 00:24:57,314 --> 00:25:01,512 But you'd put it in barrels when you were finished, right? 307 00:25:01,594 --> 00:25:02,584 Yes. 308 00:25:02,674 --> 00:25:07,034 Did you ever see what happened to these barrels? 309 00:25:07,068 --> 00:25:07,989 Yes. 310 00:25:17,834 --> 00:25:19,188 What was that? 311 00:25:22,354 --> 00:25:25,904 - They get dumped. - Where? 312 00:25:25,994 --> 00:25:29,385 - Out back, in the ground. - You saw this? 313 00:25:29,475 --> 00:25:30,873 Yes. 314 00:25:30,955 --> 00:25:32,751 - When? - My coffee break. 315 00:25:32,835 --> 00:25:37,385 I would go out and hit nine-iron shots with golf balls. 316 00:25:37,474 --> 00:25:39,431 Do you want a break? 317 00:25:39,514 --> 00:25:43,063 - Do you need a break? - No. 318 00:25:43,154 --> 00:25:47,830 Did you see who was dumping the stuff while hitting golf balls? 319 00:25:48,875 --> 00:25:53,231 - What do you mean? - The names of people. 320 00:25:56,275 --> 00:25:58,152 He wants to tell us. 321 00:25:58,234 --> 00:26:01,783 He won't tell us. He has to work there. 322 00:26:01,874 --> 00:26:07,232 But he lives near Anne Anderson. He sees her every day. 323 00:26:33,915 --> 00:26:38,147 - Mr Love, do you have any children? - Yes, I do. 324 00:26:38,235 --> 00:26:40,146 - Eight of them. - Eight? 325 00:26:40,235 --> 00:26:43,308 My goodness! That's quite a family. 326 00:26:44,475 --> 00:26:48,155 What do you think of the water in Woburn? 327 00:26:48,189 --> 00:26:50,464 Now? It's all right. 328 00:26:50,555 --> 00:26:52,944 What about then, 15 years ago? 329 00:26:53,035 --> 00:26:56,948 It had an odor then. Chlorine or something. 330 00:26:58,196 --> 00:27:00,948 - Did you drink it? - Yeah. 331 00:27:01,035 --> 00:27:04,505 - The kids? - Yes. 332 00:27:06,635 --> 00:27:09,945 Were you concerned when you found the wells were contaminated? 333 00:27:10,036 --> 00:27:13,745 I object to that. You don't have to answer that. 334 00:27:16,116 --> 00:27:19,711 - Yeah, I was concerned. - For your family? 335 00:27:19,795 --> 00:27:20,750 Yes. 336 00:27:20,836 --> 00:27:24,748 Has any member of your family had any unusual illness? 337 00:27:24,836 --> 00:27:29,836 You don't have to answer any of these type of questions. 338 00:27:29,869 --> 00:27:31,746 - Yeah. - What kind? 339 00:27:31,836 --> 00:27:33,746 One of my sons has seizures, 340 00:27:33,835 --> 00:27:36,669 my eldest daughter has had two miscarriages 341 00:27:36,756 --> 00:27:38,712 and my youngest was born with... 342 00:27:38,795 --> 00:27:42,151 Are we going to go through their entire medical history? 343 00:27:42,236 --> 00:27:44,670 If you don't want to hear, leave. 344 00:27:44,756 --> 00:27:47,952 What's wrong? We're deposing Grace employees, not Beatrice. 345 00:27:48,036 --> 00:27:53,394 - I have a right to be here. - Then sit down and shut up! 346 00:28:02,915 --> 00:28:04,668 Mr Love, 347 00:28:04,756 --> 00:28:10,274 are you aware that some of your neighbors have had leukemia? 348 00:28:10,356 --> 00:28:11,994 Yes, I am. 349 00:28:13,316 --> 00:28:15,272 They think it's the water. 350 00:28:16,316 --> 00:28:20,195 Al, that water hasn't made anybody sick. 351 00:28:22,156 --> 00:28:26,752 - How do you know? - I just do. 352 00:28:27,916 --> 00:28:30,874 A lot of people in my neighborhood are dead, 353 00:28:30,956 --> 00:28:33,425 or dying, Mr Chessman, from something. 354 00:28:35,476 --> 00:28:38,627 Look, if I took a hundred pennies 355 00:28:38,716 --> 00:28:40,946 and threw them in the air, 356 00:28:41,036 --> 00:28:44,603 half would land heads and half tails, right? 357 00:28:44,636 --> 00:28:48,916 Looking close, I'd probably find some heads grouped together. 358 00:28:48,950 --> 00:28:51,282 Does that mean anything? 359 00:28:51,316 --> 00:28:54,592 You see, no one knows what causes leukemia, Al. 360 00:28:54,677 --> 00:28:58,923 No one knows what caused that cluster. 361 00:28:58,957 --> 00:29:02,996 I know what happened. And I know who did it. 362 00:29:08,196 --> 00:29:10,153 Al, this is very important. 363 00:29:11,316 --> 00:29:14,309 I want you to tell me who those people are. 364 00:29:14,396 --> 00:29:17,363 I'm not a rat. 365 00:29:17,397 --> 00:29:19,363 You know, it's important, 366 00:29:19,396 --> 00:29:22,149 because if there is something wrong, 367 00:29:22,236 --> 00:29:25,149 we need to disclose it to the authorities. 368 00:29:25,237 --> 00:29:29,195 We need to get them out there and have it cleaned up. 369 00:29:31,077 --> 00:29:34,069 You think about that and call me. 370 00:29:34,157 --> 00:29:35,988 Yeah. Yeah. 371 00:30:01,037 --> 00:30:03,107 Do you eat peanut butter? 372 00:30:04,557 --> 00:30:05,910 No. 373 00:30:05,997 --> 00:30:07,635 You've never eaten peanut butter? 374 00:30:07,717 --> 00:30:10,072 I guess everyone alive has tried it, 375 00:30:10,157 --> 00:30:13,115 but I'm not a peanut butter fan. 376 00:30:14,717 --> 00:30:17,868 Did your son ever eat peanut butter? 377 00:30:20,317 --> 00:30:23,866 - Do you eat bacon? - Yes. 378 00:30:23,957 --> 00:30:27,188 - Yes. - How often? How many slices? 379 00:30:30,437 --> 00:30:33,156 Do you have Teflon pans in your kitchen? 380 00:30:33,238 --> 00:30:36,547 Do you chew sugarless gum? Do you pump your own gas? 381 00:30:36,637 --> 00:30:40,107 Do you use hair spray? Do you use artificial sweeteners? 382 00:30:40,197 --> 00:30:44,111 Smoke cigarettes? Drink diet soda? Use tampons? 383 00:30:44,197 --> 00:30:46,028 Are your clothes ever dry-cleaned? 384 00:30:46,117 --> 00:30:49,268 Do you have silver fillings in your teeth? 385 00:30:51,158 --> 00:30:56,027 You knew when you moved to Woburn that its water didn't taste good? 386 00:30:56,118 --> 00:31:00,076 Yeah, but lots of places the water doesn't taste so good. 387 00:31:00,158 --> 00:31:01,989 I agree with that. 388 00:31:02,078 --> 00:31:04,433 Did you ever consider using bottled water? 389 00:31:04,517 --> 00:31:08,431 We used bottled water off and on, split half and half. 390 00:31:08,518 --> 00:31:12,306 Like... we cooked with regular water - tap water. 391 00:31:12,398 --> 00:31:15,310 We did other things, like make orange juice. 392 00:31:15,398 --> 00:31:17,958 But to... drink just straight water, we drank bottled water. 393 00:31:20,157 --> 00:31:24,515 Has a doctor ever said that you have any immune system dysfunction? 394 00:31:24,598 --> 00:31:30,229 No. But when my son died, they told us that was why he died. 395 00:31:30,318 --> 00:31:32,752 His immune system was... 396 00:31:33,798 --> 00:31:35,754 tore down to nothing. 397 00:31:41,158 --> 00:31:45,118 - Why did you have an autopsy? - Because he was doing good. 398 00:31:45,151 --> 00:31:48,598 He only lived three months with leukemia 399 00:31:48,632 --> 00:31:50,554 and he looked fine. 400 00:31:50,638 --> 00:31:53,675 Did you talk to the doctor about this? 401 00:31:53,758 --> 00:31:57,593 I had more like a violent talk with him. 402 00:31:59,198 --> 00:32:03,044 - "Violent"? You were angry? - Yelling at him. 403 00:32:03,078 --> 00:32:07,037 Your son seemed to be doing all right. He was in remission? 404 00:32:07,118 --> 00:32:09,314 You were optimistic about his future 405 00:32:09,398 --> 00:32:12,196 and suddenly he became ill and died. 406 00:32:12,278 --> 00:32:14,713 And they said that was expected - 407 00:32:14,798 --> 00:32:19,156 that anybody with a disease like leukemia could die any minute. 408 00:32:20,838 --> 00:32:24,957 - But you were angry and upset. - My son just died. 409 00:32:25,038 --> 00:32:29,555 I understand, I'm just trying to recreate the event. 410 00:32:29,638 --> 00:32:33,426 You know when your child isn't well. 411 00:32:33,518 --> 00:32:35,874 You try to explain on the phone 412 00:32:35,958 --> 00:32:38,472 and they say, "Has he got a temperature?" 413 00:32:38,559 --> 00:32:41,356 You say, "No." "He's all right, then," they say. 414 00:32:41,439 --> 00:32:44,590 "Don't worry - bring him into the clinic Monday." 415 00:32:46,318 --> 00:32:48,628 He died Monday morning. 416 00:32:50,518 --> 00:32:53,352 He was in the clinic when he died? 417 00:32:53,439 --> 00:32:54,952 No. 418 00:32:55,999 --> 00:32:59,787 He was in the car on the way. 419 00:33:08,999 --> 00:33:11,751 He died in the car on the way to the clinic? 420 00:33:11,839 --> 00:33:16,707 He died on I-93, up by the Somerville exit. 421 00:33:24,719 --> 00:33:28,759 My wife was yelling that he'd stopped breathing. 422 00:33:28,793 --> 00:33:33,389 I pulled over and tried to give him CPR. 423 00:33:35,319 --> 00:33:40,030 I was holding him in my lap. 424 00:33:42,679 --> 00:33:44,635 Lauren was... 425 00:33:45,679 --> 00:33:47,237 screaming. 426 00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:53,307 Cars and trucks rushing by. 427 00:33:56,479 --> 00:33:58,435 And... 428 00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:01,710 she helped... 429 00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:06,955 I'm sorry. 430 00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:09,956 It's all right. 431 00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:14,791 It's OK. 432 00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:36,150 These people can never testify. 433 00:34:36,240 --> 00:34:37,992 No. 434 00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:15,759 We'll have the first seven monitor wells in this area, 435 00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:17,751 in the permeable rock here. 436 00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:19,478 All right. There's seven? 437 00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:21,471 Yes. I did say only seven. 438 00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:24,120 Now we'll probably have 12, because... 439 00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:26,919 Hey! Hey! 440 00:35:29,720 --> 00:35:32,474 - Private property. - Yes, your property. 441 00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:34,631 My property and you're trespassing. 442 00:35:34,720 --> 00:35:36,790 - Here. - What the fuck is this? 443 00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:41,352 That's a court order, Mr Riley, giving me the right to be here, 444 00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:44,750 and to inspect every inch of your tannery, too. 445 00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:47,115 No, keep that. That's your copy. 446 00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:51,558 Let's go. 447 00:36:00,041 --> 00:36:03,677 I started working when I was seven years old, 448 00:36:03,711 --> 00:36:07,313 sweeping the beam house floors for my father, 449 00:36:07,401 --> 00:36:11,916 which he swept for his father when he was seven years old. 450 00:36:12,961 --> 00:36:15,793 - Which my boys... - I know. They swept it, too. 451 00:36:15,881 --> 00:36:20,591 Please answer the question I asked. Silicone and trichloroethylene. 452 00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:22,433 These two chemicals mixed together 453 00:36:22,521 --> 00:36:25,558 are used to waterproof leather, are they not? 454 00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:30,511 I asked you a question, Mr Riley - again. 455 00:36:33,561 --> 00:36:37,189 Please inform your client that he's obligated to answer my question. 456 00:36:48,241 --> 00:36:50,801 Let the record show that the witness 457 00:36:50,881 --> 00:36:54,032 emptied a glass of water on my conference table. 458 00:36:54,121 --> 00:36:59,514 What exactly do you intend to say to me by pouring water on my table? 459 00:36:59,601 --> 00:37:03,150 It's how silicone is used to waterproof leather. 460 00:37:03,241 --> 00:37:04,993 I'm answering your question. 461 00:37:05,081 --> 00:37:09,871 It's poured on, like you poured water on my table. 462 00:37:09,961 --> 00:37:11,679 Yeah. Correct. 463 00:37:11,762 --> 00:37:14,674 So some of it must spill off the leather, 464 00:37:14,761 --> 00:37:17,036 Like the water spilling off my table... 465 00:37:17,121 --> 00:37:19,397 and onto my rug. 466 00:37:20,122 --> 00:37:22,352 That's the part I'm interested in. 467 00:37:24,041 --> 00:37:27,113 The spilled silicone and trichloroethylene, sir, 468 00:37:27,201 --> 00:37:29,157 how you disposed of that. 469 00:37:30,202 --> 00:37:34,639 - I never once used TCE. - TCE? Did I say TCE? 470 00:37:34,721 --> 00:37:36,996 I didn't say TCE. 471 00:37:37,082 --> 00:37:39,276 I said trichloroethylene. 472 00:37:42,722 --> 00:37:44,553 You said TCE - 473 00:37:44,642 --> 00:37:47,713 as it is commonly known... 474 00:37:47,801 --> 00:37:50,315 to those who know it. 475 00:37:51,441 --> 00:37:54,990 Mr Riley, would you mind if I checked your statements today 476 00:37:55,081 --> 00:37:58,472 against your records - invoices, purchase orders and formulas? 477 00:37:58,561 --> 00:38:04,000 No. Be my guest. They go back... three years. 478 00:38:04,081 --> 00:38:06,721 Everything before that, we dumped. 479 00:38:15,082 --> 00:38:19,040 - Jan, you're not listening. - You've been out there three times. 480 00:38:19,122 --> 00:38:21,556 I know why you find this unacceptable. 481 00:38:21,642 --> 00:38:25,157 But you don't know what it's like. Riley is Woburn. 482 00:38:25,242 --> 00:38:28,040 His employees are loyal subjects. They won't talk. 483 00:38:28,122 --> 00:38:31,114 Ex-employees, that's who you should be talking to. 484 00:38:31,202 --> 00:38:35,798 - Disgruntled employees, they talk. - You want me to go back there? 485 00:38:35,882 --> 00:38:40,831 This is THE case against Beatrice. He's a liar. Go back and catch him. 486 00:38:40,922 --> 00:38:44,202 - You got the medical records? - I can't... 487 00:38:44,236 --> 00:38:46,557 Just get it. 488 00:39:03,442 --> 00:39:06,991 This figure here, this 100 an hour for Dr Cohen, 489 00:39:07,082 --> 00:39:09,596 that seems fair, considering his pre-eminence. 490 00:39:09,682 --> 00:39:12,037 That's for his nights in the hotel. 491 00:39:12,122 --> 00:39:14,114 That's his discount sleeping rate. 492 00:39:15,842 --> 00:39:19,472 - Your doctors have cost 900,000. - They're worth it. 493 00:39:19,563 --> 00:39:23,602 - Your geologists over 500,000. - They're worth it. 494 00:39:23,682 --> 00:39:27,391 The point is, everybody here is working on this case. 495 00:39:27,483 --> 00:39:31,237 There's no money coming in - just going out. 496 00:39:31,322 --> 00:39:33,790 You want to cut our losses now? 497 00:39:33,882 --> 00:39:37,273 You want to get out and throw away 900 and... what? 498 00:39:37,363 --> 00:39:39,433 1.4 million. 499 00:39:46,842 --> 00:39:49,800 There's certain things I've got to prove 500 00:39:49,883 --> 00:39:53,842 and I can't do that not spending money. 501 00:39:53,876 --> 00:39:55,799 We have to see Uncle Pete. 502 00:40:00,683 --> 00:40:04,471 - Where are we on the last loan... - Spent it. 503 00:40:04,563 --> 00:40:08,158 - How much of it? - All of it. 504 00:40:09,563 --> 00:40:11,872 And the Carney settlement? How much... 505 00:40:11,963 --> 00:40:15,353 - Spent it. - On? 506 00:40:15,443 --> 00:40:18,196 Woburn. We spend everything on Woburn now. 507 00:40:18,283 --> 00:40:20,797 On Woburn. 508 00:40:23,203 --> 00:40:27,116 What will you need to tide you over? Two hundred? 509 00:40:27,203 --> 00:40:29,650 600,000. 510 00:40:29,684 --> 00:40:32,596 - 600,000? - Yeah. 511 00:40:35,323 --> 00:40:39,032 Pete, when was the last time you lost money betting on me? 512 00:40:39,124 --> 00:40:43,435 Never. I'm probably the best investment your bank ever made. 513 00:41:31,404 --> 00:41:34,520 How do vampires get around on Halloween? 514 00:41:34,604 --> 00:41:37,242 - Pass. - Blood vessels. 515 00:42:16,604 --> 00:42:18,811 Let's go. 516 00:42:18,844 --> 00:42:21,597 - Bye, Dad. - See you later. Goodbye. 517 00:42:23,244 --> 00:42:25,201 Love you. 518 00:42:51,524 --> 00:42:55,120 I thought about seeing you for a long time. 519 00:42:56,244 --> 00:43:01,477 I was afraid to 'cause... I didn't think you'd want to talk to me, 520 00:43:01,565 --> 00:43:04,556 'cause of where I work and everything. 521 00:43:07,044 --> 00:43:10,354 I'm concerned about what's been happening around here and... 522 00:43:10,444 --> 00:43:13,880 I'm angry at the way the company's handling itself. 523 00:43:24,405 --> 00:43:26,919 I'm very sorry about your son. 524 00:43:45,885 --> 00:43:47,841 Thank you. 525 00:43:54,765 --> 00:43:57,279 He said he never dumped anything, 526 00:43:57,365 --> 00:44:01,074 never did anything like that, never saw anybody who did. 527 00:44:01,165 --> 00:44:05,124 Tommy Barbas lied. So did Paul Shalline. 528 00:44:05,205 --> 00:44:08,641 Tommy, Paul and Joey were out back all the time... 529 00:44:08,725 --> 00:44:11,478 - Joey? - Joey Miola, plant maintenance. 530 00:44:11,565 --> 00:44:14,875 And the rumor is, there's 50 more barrels buried 531 00:44:14,966 --> 00:44:16,921 that the inspectors didn't find. 532 00:44:17,005 --> 00:44:20,520 - 50? - Or more. Here. 533 00:44:23,326 --> 00:44:28,274 OK. Is there anyone else at the plant that might talk to me? 534 00:44:28,365 --> 00:44:30,083 I don't think so. 535 00:44:30,166 --> 00:44:31,962 Bobby Pasqueriella. 536 00:44:32,046 --> 00:44:33,603 Bobby? 537 00:44:35,446 --> 00:44:38,118 He might. He doesn't work there any more though. 538 00:44:38,205 --> 00:44:39,161 Could you call him? 539 00:44:40,765 --> 00:44:43,360 Yeah, that's the stuff got dumped. 540 00:44:43,445 --> 00:44:48,280 All the time. Threw it back there myself all the time. 541 00:44:50,286 --> 00:44:53,516 Eddie Arsine - he'd say, dump that stuff in the gully. 542 00:44:53,606 --> 00:44:56,166 Out there in the gully, you know? 543 00:44:56,245 --> 00:44:59,157 Dumped it back there in the gully right there. 544 00:44:59,246 --> 00:45:03,398 Washed belts and gearboxes with it, and threw it in the gully. 545 00:45:03,486 --> 00:45:07,161 He'd say, dump it out in the gully, like Joey. 546 00:45:07,246 --> 00:45:12,036 - Did Tom Barbas? - Tommy? No, not Tommy, no. 547 00:45:12,126 --> 00:45:14,959 - Never did that? - No, no. 548 00:45:15,046 --> 00:45:17,002 He dumped his in a ditch. 549 00:45:23,605 --> 00:45:28,077 Mr Barbas, I understand you've had a chance to think about things 550 00:45:28,166 --> 00:45:30,043 since your first deposition. 551 00:45:30,126 --> 00:45:33,801 He says you said to pour it into the pit. 552 00:45:33,886 --> 00:45:36,878 Is that how you remember it now? 553 00:45:36,966 --> 00:45:41,084 He just said, go out and dig a trench... 30 feet long. 554 00:45:41,166 --> 00:45:43,122 Load the barrels onto the truck, 555 00:45:43,206 --> 00:45:46,357 drive out and dump it into the swimming pool. 556 00:45:46,446 --> 00:45:50,076 That's what we called it - the swimming pool. 557 00:45:52,966 --> 00:45:53,921 Right. 558 00:46:05,566 --> 00:46:07,762 Mr Cheeseman, well done. 559 00:46:08,926 --> 00:46:12,396 The odds of a plaintiff's lawyer winning in court 560 00:46:12,486 --> 00:46:14,158 are 2 to 1 against. 561 00:46:14,247 --> 00:46:16,441 Think about that for a second. 562 00:46:16,526 --> 00:46:20,725 Your odds of surviving a game of Russian roulette are better. 563 00:46:20,806 --> 00:46:22,762 12 times better. 564 00:46:22,846 --> 00:46:25,041 So why does anyone do it? 565 00:46:25,126 --> 00:46:27,082 They don't. They settle. 566 00:46:27,167 --> 00:46:31,206 Out of the 780,000 cases filed each year, 567 00:46:35,766 --> 00:46:38,280 The whole idea of lawsuits is to settle, 568 00:46:38,367 --> 00:46:40,561 to compel the other side to settle. 569 00:46:40,647 --> 00:46:44,196 You do that by spending more money than you should, 570 00:46:44,287 --> 00:46:47,518 forcing them to spend more money than they should. 571 00:46:47,606 --> 00:46:50,846 And whoever comes to their senses first... 572 00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:52,758 loses. 573 00:46:52,847 --> 00:46:55,918 Trials are a corruption of the entire process. 574 00:46:56,007 --> 00:47:00,477 And only fools with something to prove end up ensnared in them. 575 00:47:00,567 --> 00:47:04,924 When I say prove, I don't mean about the case. 576 00:47:05,967 --> 00:47:07,719 I mean about themselves. 577 00:47:07,807 --> 00:47:10,275 Hey, old man, out of the way! 578 00:47:15,647 --> 00:47:18,286 - How's business? - It's good. 579 00:47:18,367 --> 00:47:22,440 Is it? I was afraid, with all these scientists and doctors, 580 00:47:22,527 --> 00:47:25,246 a small firm like yours might be in trouble. 581 00:47:25,327 --> 00:47:27,682 I appreciate your concern. 582 00:47:27,767 --> 00:47:30,328 We've got more than enough to go the distance. 583 00:47:30,407 --> 00:47:34,116 Are you sure? If you realized you miscalculated the arithmetic, 584 00:47:34,207 --> 00:47:37,564 you'd be digging quarters out the seats of your car. 585 00:47:37,647 --> 00:47:42,563 - You don't have to worry, Jerry. - That's a relief. 586 00:47:42,647 --> 00:47:47,926 You know what? You don't want me in this case. You've got Grace. 587 00:47:48,007 --> 00:47:51,602 I'm only gonna hurt you. So get rid of me. 588 00:47:51,687 --> 00:47:56,317 Tell me what you've got so far, I'll get a cheque cut - OK? 589 00:47:58,208 --> 00:48:02,280 My expenses? You're offering to cover my expenses? 590 00:48:02,368 --> 00:48:04,643 Your expenses and your pride. 591 00:48:06,688 --> 00:48:10,158 You think you're gonna put those families on the stand. 592 00:48:10,247 --> 00:48:12,374 They'll tell their stories 593 00:48:12,407 --> 00:48:16,161 so the jury pull out their handkerchiefs? 594 00:48:16,248 --> 00:48:20,808 Do you really think I'd let that happen? 595 00:48:20,841 --> 00:48:24,164 I don't see how you can prevent it. 596 00:48:24,248 --> 00:48:27,240 Of course you don't. 597 00:48:41,927 --> 00:48:44,317 - Yeah? - Jan, guess what? 598 00:48:44,408 --> 00:48:48,401 Cheeseman wants to talk. He wants a number. He wants out. 599 00:48:48,488 --> 00:48:52,208 I'll meet you back here at the office. 600 00:48:52,241 --> 00:48:55,723 Jan, this is it. We've got them. 601 00:48:55,807 --> 00:48:57,764 That's great. 602 00:49:24,448 --> 00:49:26,404 Oh, baby. God, no! 603 00:49:44,449 --> 00:49:47,167 Oh, God! 604 00:50:05,128 --> 00:50:06,959 He said he'd be here. 605 00:50:07,049 --> 00:50:09,768 Are the Red Sox in town? 606 00:50:13,649 --> 00:50:16,925 Sorry I'm late. I got tied up. Yeah. 607 00:50:17,969 --> 00:50:21,848 I was just given a chair at Harvard, of all things. 608 00:50:21,929 --> 00:50:23,442 You're kidding. Which chair? 609 00:50:25,449 --> 00:50:29,202 It's black with arms, with my name on a brass plate on the back. 610 00:50:29,289 --> 00:50:31,244 From my students. 611 00:50:32,129 --> 00:50:35,485 Jerry, ever thought about getting yourself a new briefcase? 612 00:50:35,569 --> 00:50:39,721 You don't change your socks in the middle of the World Series. 613 00:50:42,729 --> 00:50:44,959 Am I sitting in the right place? 614 00:50:45,049 --> 00:50:48,962 Actually, we have a seat for you here, but that's fine. 615 00:50:54,689 --> 00:50:56,441 Nice pen. 616 00:50:56,529 --> 00:51:00,408 - They're courtesy of the hotel. - Really? 617 00:51:00,489 --> 00:51:03,879 This is a good quality pen. Yeah. 618 00:51:06,649 --> 00:51:10,358 - So? - So, Bill... 619 00:51:12,409 --> 00:51:14,877 How much did Grace make last year? 620 00:51:14,969 --> 00:51:18,848 I have no idea. But I have a feeling you do. 621 00:51:18,929 --> 00:51:22,604 198 million. And Beatrice, Jerry? 622 00:51:22,689 --> 00:51:26,365 - What? - 436 million. 623 00:51:26,449 --> 00:51:31,160 Together, that's 634 million. That's one year. That's net. 624 00:51:32,330 --> 00:51:34,524 So, that's what they made. 625 00:51:34,610 --> 00:51:38,319 What should they be made to pay to compensate the families, 626 00:51:38,409 --> 00:51:41,402 to provide for their economic security in the future? 627 00:51:41,490 --> 00:51:45,801 Don't forget to mention you - compensating you. 628 00:51:47,169 --> 00:51:50,765 And to make sure that this doesn't happen again. 629 00:51:51,850 --> 00:51:53,806 25 million cash. 630 00:52:01,010 --> 00:52:04,400 And another 25 million to establish a research foundation 631 00:52:04,490 --> 00:52:08,562 to study the links between hazardous waste and illness. 632 00:52:13,450 --> 00:52:16,999 And 1.5 million per family annually for 30 years. 633 00:52:42,250 --> 00:52:45,048 320 million. 634 00:52:48,650 --> 00:52:50,447 Can I ask a question? 635 00:52:50,570 --> 00:52:53,687 I'm sure everyone has questions. What's yours, Jerry? 636 00:52:54,971 --> 00:52:56,722 Can I have this? 637 00:53:00,771 --> 00:53:02,123 Thank you. 638 00:53:05,370 --> 00:53:07,122 Excuse me. 639 00:53:29,051 --> 00:53:32,565 - Jan? - Yes, Gordon? 640 00:53:32,651 --> 00:53:35,165 What's the story? 641 00:53:35,251 --> 00:53:38,960 - They don't want to end this. - They don't... 642 00:53:39,051 --> 00:53:44,171 You said this wouldn't go to trial. You just made certain that it will. 643 00:53:44,251 --> 00:53:46,481 Without consulting us, I might add. 644 00:53:47,131 --> 00:53:49,087 They patronize us. 645 00:53:50,491 --> 00:53:52,322 They think we're blackmailers. 646 00:53:55,250 --> 00:53:57,287 They think they can buy us. 647 00:53:59,371 --> 00:54:01,248 Yeah? 648 00:54:02,331 --> 00:54:04,322 We can't afford a long trial. 649 00:54:04,410 --> 00:54:07,608 Find a way of getting some money, then. 650 00:54:07,691 --> 00:54:12,481 - What do you suggest? - Am I the financial advisor? 651 00:54:13,731 --> 00:54:15,084 No, you're not. 652 00:54:18,771 --> 00:54:22,207 This is the plan. Start with scientific evidence. 653 00:54:22,291 --> 00:54:24,805 Then the medical experts and their evidence. 654 00:54:24,891 --> 00:54:27,280 Then the parents, then your testimony. 655 00:54:27,371 --> 00:54:29,362 Your presence is very important. 656 00:54:29,451 --> 00:54:32,284 It's where the jury gets to know you. 657 00:54:32,371 --> 00:54:37,729 If you're only there some days, they'll ask "why? Does she care?" 658 00:54:37,811 --> 00:54:41,724 I'll be there every day, in the back left-hand corner. 659 00:54:41,811 --> 00:54:43,767 Wherever you're comfortable. 660 00:54:43,851 --> 00:54:46,411 That was our plan. 661 00:54:46,491 --> 00:54:51,611 If we got separated in the grocery store that's where we'd meet. 662 00:54:51,692 --> 00:54:53,443 Oh, I see, I see. 663 00:54:57,131 --> 00:54:59,406 In the end, when he was dying, 664 00:54:59,491 --> 00:55:04,441 he said, I'll meet you in the back left-hand corner of heaven. 665 00:55:15,292 --> 00:55:18,966 All rise. This court is now in session. 666 00:55:19,052 --> 00:55:22,043 The Honorable Walter J Skinner presiding. 667 00:55:22,132 --> 00:55:24,770 Civil Action 841672. 668 00:55:24,852 --> 00:55:29,482 Anderson and all versus W.R. Grace and Beatrice Foods. 669 00:55:36,091 --> 00:55:39,019 Ladies and gentlemen... 670 00:55:39,052 --> 00:55:42,727 there's a small town north of Boston called Woburn. 671 00:55:42,812 --> 00:55:46,248 Woburn is like many small towns. 672 00:55:46,332 --> 00:55:51,281 It has homes, it has churches, it has schools, it has industry. 673 00:55:51,372 --> 00:55:54,250 But Woburn has something else. 674 00:55:54,332 --> 00:55:59,565 It has more than its share of sickness and death. 675 00:55:59,652 --> 00:56:03,247 Small amounts of solvents were left on the ground. 676 00:56:03,332 --> 00:56:05,627 Why? To evaporate. 677 00:56:05,660 --> 00:56:07,923 Did they? Yes. 678 00:56:08,012 --> 00:56:13,962 These chemicals never reached Wells G and H - we will show that. 679 00:56:14,052 --> 00:56:17,840 And they never made anyone sick. We will show that, too. 680 00:56:17,932 --> 00:56:22,130 The idea of criminal court is crime and punishment. 681 00:56:22,212 --> 00:56:26,171 The idea of civil court and personal injury law by nature - 682 00:56:26,252 --> 00:56:28,219 though no-one says it, 683 00:56:28,253 --> 00:56:31,927 least of all the personal injury lawyer himself - 684 00:56:32,013 --> 00:56:33,819 is money. 685 00:56:33,852 --> 00:56:36,242 Money for suffering. Money for death. 686 00:56:36,333 --> 00:56:39,131 As if that could somehow relieve suffering. 687 00:56:39,212 --> 00:56:43,490 As if that could somehow bring dead children back to life. 688 00:56:44,772 --> 00:56:48,732 Every credit card application we send, we get more in the mail. 689 00:56:48,812 --> 00:56:54,445 Here's one from North Dakota. Fill it out. Fill them all out. 690 00:56:54,533 --> 00:56:57,047 It's the last great pyramid scheme. 691 00:56:57,132 --> 00:57:01,893 The terrain of East Woburn was actually shaped 12,000 years ago, 692 00:57:01,926 --> 00:57:04,726 during the end of the last ice Age. 693 00:57:04,812 --> 00:57:08,133 At this time, an immense glacier, over a mile thick, 694 00:57:08,166 --> 00:57:10,806 covered what is now New England. 695 00:57:10,892 --> 00:57:14,681 Cancel The American Lawyer. Cancel all the legal journals. 696 00:57:14,773 --> 00:57:18,526 And tell the janitorial people they're no longer required. 697 00:57:18,613 --> 00:57:20,604 We'll empty our own ashtrays. 698 00:57:20,693 --> 00:57:24,527 To understand what's going on in the ground water system, 699 00:57:24,613 --> 00:57:28,652 we must start with the soil itself. These are soil samples... 700 00:57:28,733 --> 00:57:30,883 So you see, the Aberjona River valley... 701 00:57:30,973 --> 00:57:34,682 I... I can't send you the entire balance right now. 702 00:57:34,773 --> 00:57:38,732 But perhaps we could work out some sort of a deal. 703 00:57:39,773 --> 00:57:42,606 How much can I send you right now? 704 00:57:42,693 --> 00:57:44,445 Nothing. 705 00:57:44,533 --> 00:57:47,923 A plaintiff's case depends on momentum. 706 00:57:48,013 --> 00:57:52,086 The fewer objections he gets, the better his case will go. 707 00:57:52,173 --> 00:57:54,641 So whenever you can, you should object. 708 00:57:54,733 --> 00:57:57,611 18 times yesterday, 20 today. 709 00:57:57,693 --> 00:57:59,843 They're not even his witnesses, they're his. 710 00:57:59,934 --> 00:58:03,892 I can't not object when you phrase questions improperly. 711 00:58:03,974 --> 00:58:05,531 As a craftsman... 712 00:58:05,613 --> 00:58:09,652 He is deliberately trying to destroy the rhythm of my case. 713 00:58:10,933 --> 00:58:15,165 Here we are. You must have some good luck on these. 714 00:58:15,253 --> 00:58:18,802 - Hold on. 17, 17, 17. - You got a winner? 715 00:58:18,893 --> 00:58:20,293 No! Shoot. 716 00:58:20,373 --> 00:58:23,683 Relevance - objection. Hearsay - objection. 717 00:58:23,774 --> 00:58:27,607 Best evidence - objection. Authenticity... 718 00:58:27,694 --> 00:58:29,013 Objection. 719 00:58:29,093 --> 00:58:34,088 If you fall asleep, the first thing you say when you wake up is... 720 00:58:38,054 --> 00:58:39,646 Objection. 721 00:58:40,933 --> 00:58:45,212 Do you swear to tell the whole truth, so help you God? 722 00:58:45,293 --> 00:58:46,773 Yes. 723 00:58:46,854 --> 00:58:51,051 Good morning, Mr Riley. Would you care for a glass of water? 724 00:58:52,454 --> 00:58:54,251 No, thank you. 725 00:58:55,653 --> 00:58:57,086 Are you sure? 726 00:58:58,294 --> 00:59:02,572 The single greatest liability for a lawyer is pride. 727 00:59:02,653 --> 00:59:04,451 Pride... 728 00:59:04,533 --> 00:59:08,526 pride has lost more cases than lousy evidence, 729 00:59:08,614 --> 00:59:11,650 idiot witnesses and a hanging judge put together. 730 00:59:11,734 --> 00:59:15,966 There is absolutely no place in a courtroom for pride. 731 00:59:16,054 --> 00:59:20,525 Mr Riley, you own the property referred to here as the 15 acres? 732 00:59:20,614 --> 00:59:24,163 No, it's currently owned by a non-profit corporation 733 00:59:24,254 --> 00:59:26,210 called The Wildwood Conservancy. 734 00:59:26,294 --> 00:59:29,411 Oh, yes. What is that? The Wildwood Conservancy. 735 00:59:29,494 --> 00:59:32,406 - Is that a conservation group? - Yes, sir. 736 00:59:32,494 --> 00:59:36,852 I've donated the land as a sanctuary for indigent wildlife. 737 00:59:39,094 --> 00:59:43,326 I don't think the indigent wildlife has heard about this, Mr Riley. 738 00:59:43,414 --> 00:59:48,090 I've been there several times and haven't seen any living thing. 739 00:59:48,174 --> 00:59:52,531 He says no, no, no. He says yes once, I've got him. 740 00:59:52,614 --> 00:59:54,570 He's not that stupid. 741 00:59:54,655 --> 00:59:58,932 Keep him there long enough, he'll figure a way to get you. 742 00:59:59,014 --> 01:00:00,732 I'm not that stupid. 743 01:00:05,334 --> 01:00:07,803 Mr Riley, experts have testified in this court 744 01:00:07,894 --> 01:00:09,930 that your land, your 15 acres, 745 01:00:10,015 --> 01:00:13,245 is the most grotesquely polluted land in New England. 746 01:00:13,334 --> 01:00:15,689 You have no idea how that happened? 747 01:00:15,774 --> 01:00:19,767 - No, sir. - Does it upset you to learn this? 748 01:00:19,855 --> 01:00:23,450 - Very much so. - Really? Why? 749 01:00:25,535 --> 01:00:27,923 And one last thing, 750 01:00:28,014 --> 01:00:30,812 unless you know exactly what the answer is, 751 01:00:30,895 --> 01:00:34,284 never, ever ask a witness "why". 752 01:00:34,375 --> 01:00:35,932 Never. 753 01:00:39,615 --> 01:00:42,925 My factory is the oldest surviving business in Woburn. 754 01:00:43,015 --> 01:00:46,246 When the other tanners moved out, I stayed, 755 01:00:46,334 --> 01:00:49,566 even though that was a very big financial burden. 756 01:00:49,655 --> 01:00:52,088 - That's not... - Woburn is my home... 757 01:00:52,175 --> 01:00:53,733 That's not the question. 758 01:00:53,815 --> 01:00:58,252 He's trying to answer it, Mr Schlichtmann. Let him. 759 01:01:06,735 --> 01:01:11,286 That land has been in my family for three generations. 760 01:01:12,375 --> 01:01:15,173 That land to me is hallowed ground. 761 01:01:15,255 --> 01:01:19,885 So when you ask me would I be upset 762 01:01:19,975 --> 01:01:22,382 if someone desecrated it - 763 01:01:22,415 --> 01:01:26,249 land that's part of the town that I love - 764 01:01:26,336 --> 01:01:29,611 my answer to your question, Mr Schlichtmann... 765 01:01:32,936 --> 01:01:34,767 is yes. 766 01:01:51,295 --> 01:01:54,094 I have no further questions, Your Honor. 767 01:01:57,896 --> 01:02:02,730 The sad part is, they rob themselves of the blessing of giving. 768 01:02:02,815 --> 01:02:08,254 If somebody wrote a cheque for the total budget of my church, 769 01:02:08,335 --> 01:02:12,045 it wouldn't affect my giving. 770 01:02:12,136 --> 01:02:15,810 Ain't nobody gonna rob me of the blessing of giving! 771 01:02:15,896 --> 01:02:19,729 You know why folks ain't getting? 'Cause they ain't giving! 772 01:02:19,816 --> 01:02:24,446 Do not rob yourself of the blessing of giving. 773 01:02:24,536 --> 01:02:28,848 You'll never guess what I did last night. You'll like this. 774 01:02:28,935 --> 01:02:33,088 I pledged 200 to a televangelist. I'm not kidding. 775 01:02:33,176 --> 01:02:36,168 He said, "Give and ye shall receive." 776 01:02:36,256 --> 01:02:38,816 I know. I know what you're thinking. 777 01:02:38,895 --> 01:02:42,934 You're thinking, Gordon's losing it. He's falling apart. 778 01:02:43,016 --> 01:02:45,974 He's probably buying lottery tickets. 779 01:02:47,296 --> 01:02:49,810 I bought a few. I'll admit it. 780 01:02:49,896 --> 01:02:53,445 I know, but seriously, the jackpot's 45 million. 781 01:02:53,536 --> 01:02:57,245 That's just this week! You should see the lines out there. 782 01:03:00,056 --> 01:03:04,334 - Is that a gun? - What? 783 01:03:07,376 --> 01:03:10,971 This? No. No, this is for you. 784 01:03:14,536 --> 01:03:17,255 My Krugerrands. I've had them forever. 785 01:03:18,657 --> 01:03:20,806 I want you to have them. 786 01:03:20,896 --> 01:03:24,605 And this is the deed to my house. 787 01:03:24,697 --> 01:03:28,245 Here is Conway's and Crowley's and Jan's. 788 01:03:28,337 --> 01:03:30,567 See, I've come bearing gifts. 789 01:03:35,617 --> 01:03:37,572 We really need the money. 790 01:03:43,336 --> 01:03:46,090 You can tell your child isn't well. 791 01:03:46,176 --> 01:03:50,613 "Has he got a temperature?" "No." "He's all right, then", they say. 792 01:03:50,697 --> 01:03:56,613 "Bring him to the clinic Monday." He died Monday morning. 793 01:03:56,696 --> 01:03:58,653 Start with Jimmy Anderson - 794 01:03:58,736 --> 01:04:02,207 countless trips to hospital, futile chemotherapy treatments. 795 01:04:02,297 --> 01:04:07,417 Then the others, ending with Jared Aufiero, dying on the highway. 796 01:04:07,537 --> 01:04:10,415 Could somebody get that? 797 01:04:14,096 --> 01:04:15,735 Where is everybody? 798 01:04:15,817 --> 01:04:20,493 You're just noticing now? Gordon laid everybody off two weeks ago. 799 01:04:20,577 --> 01:04:24,417 Gordon, instead of sitting there reading a magazine, 800 01:04:24,451 --> 01:04:27,887 why not go to Uncle Pete and get me a staff? 801 01:04:27,977 --> 01:04:30,935 Good idea. Why didn't I think of that? 802 01:04:35,057 --> 01:04:36,410 Hello? 803 01:04:48,217 --> 01:04:50,857 There was a Cheeseman on the Mayflower. 804 01:04:50,937 --> 01:04:53,451 - This way, sir. - Thank you. 805 01:04:53,537 --> 01:04:55,334 Jan, have a seat. 806 01:04:55,417 --> 01:04:58,454 You want something to drink? Some coffee? Soda? 807 01:04:58,538 --> 01:05:00,892 You've been talking without me present? 808 01:05:00,978 --> 01:05:04,856 No, we have been drinking coffee without your being present. 809 01:05:04,937 --> 01:05:07,497 Don't be so paranoid. They were early. 810 01:05:10,217 --> 01:05:13,573 - All right. What's up? - Jerry? 811 01:05:13,658 --> 01:05:16,570 Last night, I was at a ball game. 812 01:05:16,657 --> 01:05:20,366 It was the seventh innings and I was standing there, 813 01:05:20,457 --> 01:05:23,847 and it occurred to me at that moment, 814 01:05:23,937 --> 01:05:27,532 unless you've proven that any... What word should we use? 815 01:05:27,618 --> 01:05:29,449 - Chemicals? - Poisons. 816 01:05:29,538 --> 01:05:32,450 If you like that word, I'll use it. 817 01:05:32,537 --> 01:05:37,658 Unless you've proven that poisons reached the wells, there's no case. 818 01:05:37,738 --> 01:05:41,492 And therefore, no need to make these families, 819 01:05:41,577 --> 01:05:43,375 who've already suffered so much, 820 01:05:43,457 --> 01:05:46,927 relive their suffering all over again 821 01:05:47,018 --> 01:05:50,294 by putting them on the stand. 822 01:05:51,577 --> 01:05:54,570 - Your Honor, you've... - That's interesting. 823 01:05:54,657 --> 01:05:57,695 - What? - I'd have to agree with that. 824 01:05:57,778 --> 01:05:59,336 Your Honor, the... 825 01:05:59,418 --> 01:06:03,377 If the jury decides favorably on the geological evidence, 826 01:06:03,458 --> 01:06:05,926 you could bring your families in. 827 01:06:06,018 --> 01:06:09,169 Your Honor, the jury was expecting a human drama. 828 01:06:09,258 --> 01:06:12,330 For three months they've had lessons in geology. 829 01:06:12,418 --> 01:06:15,649 We had to do that. Now it's over - finally. 830 01:06:15,738 --> 01:06:19,651 Now we have to see where we are before moving on, 831 01:06:19,738 --> 01:06:22,935 and subjecting these families to more trauma than necessary, 832 01:06:23,018 --> 01:06:25,054 because that would just be cruel. 833 01:06:25,138 --> 01:06:28,608 - They want to testify. - The decision is made. 834 01:06:28,698 --> 01:06:31,532 - It's the defendant's plan. - It's my plan. 835 01:06:31,618 --> 01:06:33,928 Right from the beginning, he threatened... 836 01:06:34,018 --> 01:06:36,168 It's MY plan! 837 01:06:44,099 --> 01:06:45,611 Now... 838 01:06:46,458 --> 01:06:52,215 my plan is to present the jury with some simple questions. 839 01:06:53,539 --> 01:06:56,132 How you answer these three questions, 840 01:06:56,219 --> 01:06:58,857 will determine whether this trial continues. 841 01:07:00,299 --> 01:07:02,859 I don't disagree - I don't understand them. 842 01:07:02,938 --> 01:07:05,498 What don't you understand? They're straightforward questions. 843 01:07:05,578 --> 01:07:09,093 Have the plaintiffs established, by preponderance of evidence, 844 01:07:09,179 --> 01:07:14,094 that chemicals containing TCE were disposed of on these lands 845 01:07:14,179 --> 01:07:20,732 after October 1, 1964 and August 27, 1968, respectively, 846 01:07:20,818 --> 01:07:24,015 and did those chemicals contribute to the well water contamination? 847 01:07:24,099 --> 01:07:28,536 What were these dates? Where are they from? Out of a hat? 848 01:07:28,618 --> 01:07:30,291 Question two. 849 01:07:30,378 --> 01:07:33,734 What, according to a preponderance of the evidence, 850 01:07:33,819 --> 01:07:37,129 was the earliest time at which these chemicals 851 01:07:37,219 --> 01:07:40,495 substantially contributed to the wells' contamination? 852 01:07:40,579 --> 01:07:42,137 How can they determine that? 853 01:07:42,219 --> 01:07:45,734 Science can't even determine when the chemicals arrived 854 01:07:45,819 --> 01:07:48,936 with the precision that you're asking of the jurors. 855 01:07:49,019 --> 01:07:50,737 And finally, three. 856 01:07:50,819 --> 01:07:53,333 What, according to a preponderance of the evidence, 857 01:07:53,419 --> 01:07:56,297 was the earliest time - again, month and year - 858 01:07:56,379 --> 01:07:59,291 at which substantial contribution referred to in question two 859 01:07:59,379 --> 01:08:01,574 was caused, if it was, 860 01:08:01,659 --> 01:08:05,015 by the negligent conduct of the defendants? 861 01:08:05,099 --> 01:08:08,250 It's like English translated into Japanese back into English again. 862 01:08:08,339 --> 01:08:09,738 I've heard enough. 863 01:08:09,819 --> 01:08:12,777 Your Honor, no one can answer these. 864 01:08:12,859 --> 01:08:15,214 You're asking for answers that are unknowable. 865 01:08:15,299 --> 01:08:16,698 I've heard enough. 866 01:08:16,779 --> 01:08:20,374 You're asking for a fiction that stands for truth, but isn't. 867 01:08:20,459 --> 01:08:21,415 Enough! 868 01:08:22,660 --> 01:08:28,370 Once again, I remind you not to discuss your views outside, 869 01:08:28,460 --> 01:08:30,735 and excuse you... 870 01:08:33,339 --> 01:08:36,297 Don't worry about it. Everything's under control. 871 01:08:37,220 --> 01:08:42,738 And excuse you to your deliberations. Thank you. 872 01:10:04,020 --> 01:10:06,187 I've never done this. 873 01:10:06,221 --> 01:10:08,131 In 45 years of practicing, 874 01:10:08,220 --> 01:10:11,531 I've never waited in a corridor for a jury. 875 01:10:11,620 --> 01:10:14,453 - I always do. - I can tell. 876 01:10:14,540 --> 01:10:17,227 You're good at it. 877 01:10:17,261 --> 01:10:19,535 You seem so at peace doing it. 878 01:10:24,180 --> 01:10:28,093 What do you think? Is it good they're out this long? 879 01:10:28,181 --> 01:10:31,217 - For who? - For me, of course. 880 01:10:33,421 --> 01:10:36,572 You can never tell. It could mean anything. 881 01:10:36,661 --> 01:10:40,858 It could mean jury duty's more fun than working at the post office. 882 01:10:42,701 --> 01:10:46,740 - It's bad for both of you. - You think? 883 01:10:48,261 --> 01:10:50,217 Well, here's my take. 884 01:10:51,581 --> 01:10:53,650 Guilty. 885 01:10:54,741 --> 01:10:58,450 Not guilty. That's what they're going to say. 886 01:10:58,540 --> 01:11:01,772 Nothing to do with dates or ground-water measurements 887 01:11:01,861 --> 01:11:06,139 or any of that crap, which nobody understands anyway. 888 01:11:06,220 --> 01:11:09,816 It's going to come down to people, like always. 889 01:11:09,901 --> 01:11:13,530 You found someone who saw him dumping stuff. 890 01:11:13,621 --> 01:11:17,250 You didn't find anyone who saw me. 891 01:11:20,061 --> 01:11:23,098 - What's your take? - They'll see the truth. 892 01:11:23,181 --> 01:11:24,853 The truth? 893 01:11:26,101 --> 01:11:29,252 We're talking about a court of law. 894 01:11:29,341 --> 01:11:32,413 You've been around long enough to know 895 01:11:32,501 --> 01:11:35,460 courtrooms aren't where you look for the truth. 896 01:11:35,541 --> 01:11:39,500 You're lucky to find anything that even resembles the truth. 897 01:11:42,342 --> 01:11:46,414 You disagree. Well, since when? 898 01:11:47,541 --> 01:11:49,452 Eight kids are dead, Jerry. 899 01:11:51,581 --> 01:11:55,894 Jan, that suit fits you better than the sentimentality. 900 01:11:55,981 --> 01:11:59,576 That's not how you made all that money, is it? 901 01:11:59,661 --> 01:12:04,496 It wasn't about dead children from the minute you filed the complaint. 902 01:12:04,582 --> 01:12:09,212 The minute it entered the justice system. Oh, yes. 903 01:12:13,421 --> 01:12:15,651 I know you like to gamble. 904 01:12:15,742 --> 01:12:18,096 High-stakes gambler, that's your profession. 905 01:12:18,182 --> 01:12:22,061 Why not test your faith in the righteousness of our courts 906 01:12:22,141 --> 01:12:24,609 with a high-stakes gamble? 907 01:12:28,662 --> 01:12:32,018 If that's a settlement offer, Jerry, it's not enough. 908 01:12:32,101 --> 01:12:35,411 - That's not what I hear. - Who said that? 909 01:12:35,501 --> 01:12:40,131 The IRS, telling us they have a lien on any eventual settlement 910 01:12:40,221 --> 01:12:44,214 in order to recover over 2.5 million in unpaid taxes. 911 01:12:47,221 --> 01:12:49,098 But all right... 912 01:12:49,182 --> 01:12:54,381 What if I would add six zeros onto that? 913 01:12:54,462 --> 01:12:59,252 That would be - what? - 20 million. 914 01:13:00,342 --> 01:13:03,254 Now, that would put things in perspective, wouldn't it? 915 01:13:03,342 --> 01:13:06,698 As far as truth, justice and dead children go? 916 01:13:06,782 --> 01:13:09,501 If you want to talk about a settlement, 917 01:13:09,581 --> 01:13:12,619 get the decision-makers together and talk seriously. 918 01:13:12,702 --> 01:13:15,216 The decision-makers are here, aren't they? 919 01:13:15,302 --> 01:13:17,133 You're looking at Mr Beatrice. 920 01:13:17,222 --> 01:13:20,532 I don't have to call anybody. Do you? 921 01:13:23,942 --> 01:13:26,828 It's just you and me. 922 01:13:26,862 --> 01:13:30,537 We're like kings. We are kings. 923 01:13:31,582 --> 01:13:34,142 Sitting in our castle, deciding important things. 924 01:13:34,222 --> 01:13:36,690 Deciding the fates of others. 925 01:13:36,782 --> 01:13:39,774 And counting money. In our counting room! 926 01:13:54,662 --> 01:13:57,894 Tell you what. I'll leave this here, 927 01:13:57,982 --> 01:14:01,213 go back down the hall to my throne room 928 01:14:01,303 --> 01:14:03,863 and await your decision. 929 01:14:09,742 --> 01:14:12,098 If you really want the truth, Jan, 930 01:14:12,182 --> 01:14:17,860 Look for it where it is - at the bottom of a bottomless pit. 931 01:15:22,104 --> 01:15:25,857 Mr Foreman, members of the jury, have you reached a verdict? 932 01:15:25,943 --> 01:15:27,696 Yes, Your Honor. 933 01:15:40,944 --> 01:15:46,064 With respect to W.R. Grace, the jury has answered... 934 01:15:46,143 --> 01:15:50,534 "yes" to question one regarding trichloroethylene contamination, 935 01:15:50,623 --> 01:15:53,070 requiring the case against Grace 936 01:15:53,104 --> 01:15:55,664 to go to a second stage of this trial. 937 01:15:56,864 --> 01:16:03,735 In regard to Beatrice, the jury has answered "no" to question one 938 01:16:03,824 --> 01:16:07,055 in all its points pertaining to contamination 939 01:16:07,143 --> 01:16:10,978 which renders questions two and three inapplicable, 940 01:16:11,063 --> 01:16:12,940 ending the case against Beatrice. 941 01:16:13,024 --> 01:16:16,982 - Mr Facher, you're excused. - Thank you, Your Honor. 942 01:16:18,424 --> 01:16:24,942 We are going to take a break now, until after lunch. 943 01:16:25,024 --> 01:16:28,653 Once again, I remind you not to talk to anyone 944 01:16:28,744 --> 01:16:30,780 about your deliberations here... 945 01:16:42,784 --> 01:16:47,335 Disappointed? Not at all. This is a victory. 946 01:16:47,424 --> 01:16:51,895 This sends a message that companies can no longer get away with this. 947 01:16:51,984 --> 01:16:54,452 - So what now? - Right now? 948 01:16:54,544 --> 01:16:57,980 I think we should celebrate. What do you think? Yes? 949 01:16:58,064 --> 01:17:02,979 You'll proceed against Grace, no matter how long it takes? 950 01:17:04,464 --> 01:17:08,253 We have to get out of this case fast. 951 01:17:08,345 --> 01:17:10,300 That's our only strategy left. 952 01:17:11,744 --> 01:17:14,861 The good news is Grace wants to talk. 953 01:17:14,945 --> 01:17:19,096 They want us to see their executive vice-president, Al Eustis. 954 01:17:19,184 --> 01:17:22,654 So we need to know what our squeal point is. 955 01:17:23,705 --> 01:17:27,822 8 million. 8 million will just about get us out of hock. 956 01:17:29,384 --> 01:17:32,138 Gordon knows the numbers. 957 01:17:39,065 --> 01:17:43,023 Jan, every dollar we spend is a dollar we don't have. 958 01:17:43,105 --> 01:17:45,982 We are floating on credit without a net. 959 01:17:46,065 --> 01:17:49,944 I don't need a net. Mortgage my house. I don't care. 960 01:17:50,704 --> 01:17:55,859 I have. And Kevin's and Bill's and mine. 961 01:17:55,944 --> 01:18:01,099 I've cashed in our retirement plans and life-insurance. And it's gone. 962 01:18:01,185 --> 01:18:03,699 Let me put it this way, 963 01:18:03,784 --> 01:18:09,701 if we can't appear we've got money they won't give us 8 million. 964 01:18:09,785 --> 01:18:13,494 They won't give us eight cents. You know that. 965 01:18:13,585 --> 01:18:15,541 You all know that. 966 01:18:23,865 --> 01:18:25,821 It's our nicest suite. 967 01:18:25,905 --> 01:18:31,138 Living room, dining room, two bedrooms, a den, a lovely view. 968 01:18:31,225 --> 01:18:33,181 It's 2,400 a night. 969 01:18:35,306 --> 01:18:37,057 For our inner strength. 970 01:18:38,025 --> 01:18:40,937 - On the card. - Why not? 971 01:18:43,585 --> 01:18:45,736 Farmers' Bank of Iowa. 972 01:19:07,226 --> 01:19:08,578 Hey, there! 973 01:19:08,665 --> 01:19:10,816 - Jan Schlichtmann. - Al Eustis. 974 01:19:10,905 --> 01:19:13,898 How are you? Sorry I'm late. I got lost. 975 01:19:13,986 --> 01:19:16,021 - Got lost? - Yes. 976 01:19:16,106 --> 01:19:17,902 How did you manage that? 977 01:19:17,986 --> 01:19:19,977 I've never been here before so... 978 01:19:20,066 --> 01:19:22,819 What kind of Harvard man are you? 979 01:19:23,906 --> 01:19:25,942 The Cornell kind. 980 01:19:26,025 --> 01:19:31,464 Cornell? I thought you went to Harvard? 981 01:19:31,545 --> 01:19:36,778 I'm sure somebody said that you went to Harvard! Cornell! 982 01:19:36,866 --> 01:19:38,743 Yes. 983 01:19:38,825 --> 01:19:41,783 Well, listen, Cornell is... is a damn good school. 984 01:19:42,345 --> 01:19:45,112 Damn good. 985 01:19:45,145 --> 01:19:47,102 So what do you want? 986 01:19:48,146 --> 01:19:51,694 Well, I could take you through it step by step 987 01:19:51,786 --> 01:19:55,745 or you could take this with you and study it. 988 01:19:55,826 --> 01:19:57,657 It's a little complicated but... 989 01:19:57,746 --> 01:20:00,818 It's an unspoken rule of the Harvard Club - 990 01:20:00,906 --> 01:20:04,063 business is never transacted here. 991 01:20:04,096 --> 01:20:07,220 I meant, what do you want to drink? 992 01:20:08,706 --> 01:20:12,938 I wanted to reach across and strangle him with his tie. 993 01:20:13,026 --> 01:20:15,256 Instead, I sat there for two hours 994 01:20:15,346 --> 01:20:19,340 and listened to him talk about selling his yacht. 995 01:20:19,426 --> 01:20:24,978 You know, sometimes I actually prefer the 35-footer. 996 01:20:25,066 --> 01:20:27,296 Because I can crew it myself, 997 01:20:27,386 --> 01:20:31,858 I can be all by myself out there alone. It's magnificent. 998 01:20:31,946 --> 01:20:35,495 And there's no... Nobody can call you. Nobody can beep you. 999 01:20:35,586 --> 01:20:37,577 Nobody can fax you. 1000 01:20:37,666 --> 01:20:39,816 There's no lawsuits. 1001 01:20:39,906 --> 01:20:42,818 You know what I'm talking about. You sail? 1002 01:20:42,906 --> 01:20:45,818 - No. - You don't sail? 1003 01:20:47,147 --> 01:20:51,186 - Finally, we went to his office. - Let's sit down. 1004 01:20:51,266 --> 01:20:54,975 Come on. It's more comfortable. Have a seat. 1005 01:20:55,067 --> 01:20:58,217 He comes around the desk, he sits down. 1006 01:21:00,306 --> 01:21:01,739 Go ahead, sit down. 1007 01:21:01,827 --> 01:21:05,341 He puts his feet up on this French antique thing 1008 01:21:06,147 --> 01:21:09,377 and he tells me to put my feet up. 1009 01:21:09,467 --> 01:21:11,821 Put your feet up. Come on. 1010 01:21:11,907 --> 01:21:14,865 - No, thank you. - No, go ahead. 1011 01:21:14,946 --> 01:21:17,780 - Go ahead. - No, really, I'm fine. 1012 01:21:17,867 --> 01:21:20,939 Nothing's going to break. Put them up. 1013 01:21:21,026 --> 01:21:25,065 It was weird - all this talk about putting my feet on this table. 1014 01:21:25,147 --> 01:21:28,059 It's all right - I mean it. Try it. Come on. 1015 01:21:28,146 --> 01:21:29,899 Put your feet up. 1016 01:21:38,467 --> 01:21:44,701 There. Now, I can afford to pay you almost anything you ask. 1017 01:21:44,787 --> 01:21:47,221 It's not the money. 1018 01:21:47,307 --> 01:21:50,105 But a settlement that high says we're guilty. 1019 01:21:50,187 --> 01:21:54,180 That says to every two-bit personal injury lawyer in Boston, 1020 01:21:54,267 --> 01:21:56,383 let's sign up everyone in Woburn. 1021 01:21:56,467 --> 01:21:59,823 Creates a shark effect, and that I can't afford. 1022 01:21:59,907 --> 01:22:01,784 Give me a number. 1023 01:22:03,187 --> 01:22:05,418 I'm not negotiating with myself, Al, 1024 01:22:05,507 --> 01:22:08,738 throwing out numbers you can say no to. 1025 01:22:08,827 --> 01:22:11,295 - You give me one. - 8 million. 1026 01:22:14,227 --> 01:22:17,902 He said 8 million? 1027 01:22:17,987 --> 01:22:19,386 8 million. 1028 01:22:21,187 --> 01:22:23,747 I can't go to the families with that. 1029 01:22:23,827 --> 01:22:26,022 Wait! What? Who? What families? 1030 01:22:26,108 --> 01:22:28,746 I can't go to them empty-handed. 1031 01:22:28,827 --> 01:22:30,704 What are you talking about? 1032 01:22:30,787 --> 01:22:35,258 Since when is that empty-handed? 8 million is a lot of money! 1033 01:22:36,827 --> 01:22:38,783 I owe them more than that. 1034 01:22:38,867 --> 01:22:41,335 What do you owe them? 1035 01:22:41,427 --> 01:22:43,543 Do you owe them your career? 1036 01:22:43,628 --> 01:22:45,663 You're talking about our careers here! 1037 01:22:45,748 --> 01:22:48,865 - You owe them that? - And OUR families! 1038 01:22:48,947 --> 01:22:50,745 That's what we're talking here. 1039 01:22:50,827 --> 01:22:53,185 Our families... 1040 01:22:53,219 --> 01:22:55,544 Don't do it. 1041 01:22:58,068 --> 01:23:00,501 Don't go for broke on this one. 1042 01:23:00,588 --> 01:23:03,102 It isn't worth it, Jan. 1043 01:23:26,988 --> 01:23:30,981 Nobody calls any more? Not even the creditors. 1044 01:23:32,428 --> 01:23:34,180 Are the phones still working? 1045 01:23:43,228 --> 01:23:45,184 Schlichtmann, Conway and Crowley. 1046 01:23:47,908 --> 01:23:49,660 Just a moment, please. 1047 01:23:50,588 --> 01:23:52,101 Someone named Grendan. 1048 01:23:52,188 --> 01:23:53,780 Creditor. 1049 01:23:53,868 --> 01:23:58,339 - Are you here? - Do I look like I'm here? 1050 01:23:59,908 --> 01:24:02,138 He's in a meeting at the moment. 1051 01:24:02,229 --> 01:24:05,187 Do me a favor, Gordon? Shut up. 1052 01:24:07,069 --> 01:24:08,467 What? 1053 01:24:08,549 --> 01:24:11,938 I'm tired of hearing you moan about money. 1054 01:24:12,028 --> 01:24:14,098 This isn't about money any more. 1055 01:24:14,188 --> 01:24:17,783 No? What's it about? 1056 01:24:19,548 --> 01:24:20,948 What's it about, Jan? 1057 01:24:21,028 --> 01:24:24,658 - Look, let's all... - No, I want to know. 1058 01:24:24,749 --> 01:24:30,460 I want to know what I gave up my house for - my credit, my life! 1059 01:24:30,549 --> 01:24:32,584 Would you take 10 million? 1060 01:24:32,669 --> 01:24:34,705 - Yes. - But not eight? 1061 01:24:34,788 --> 01:24:35,777 No. 1062 01:24:35,868 --> 01:24:39,578 So 10 million is some mythic struggle, 1063 01:24:39,669 --> 01:24:41,863 but eight is just another lawsuit! 1064 01:24:41,949 --> 01:24:45,419 If they're willing to pay eight then it's not enough. 1065 01:24:45,509 --> 01:24:48,660 - That makes sense! - It makes perfect sense. 1066 01:24:48,749 --> 01:24:52,025 So you'll only accept what they won't give us? 1067 01:24:52,109 --> 01:24:53,667 Listen to yourself! 1068 01:24:53,748 --> 01:24:58,777 I'm sick of listening to you. I've lost enough because of you. 1069 01:24:58,869 --> 01:25:03,420 You'd have nothing but for me. All you have, I got for you! 1070 01:25:03,509 --> 01:25:07,218 I don't have anything! What do I have? 1071 01:25:07,309 --> 01:25:11,267 I got a couple of bucks and some bus transfers. 1072 01:25:11,349 --> 01:25:15,865 I've got a savings account from when I was 12. 1073 01:25:15,949 --> 01:25:18,304 Here - there's 37 in here. 1074 01:25:18,389 --> 01:25:20,949 With interest after 25 years, probably 47! 1075 01:25:21,029 --> 01:25:23,668 Take it! Add it to the war chest. 1076 01:25:23,749 --> 01:25:25,705 Use it to fight injustice! 1077 01:25:25,789 --> 01:25:29,907 Go down in flames with it for all I care. 1078 01:25:29,989 --> 01:25:32,867 Only next time... Next time - that's a laugh! 1079 01:25:32,949 --> 01:25:36,862 Ask us if we want to go down with you! 1080 01:26:43,670 --> 01:26:46,628 I'd like to leave a message for Al Eustis, please. 1081 01:26:53,350 --> 01:26:57,468 I've been informed that a settlement agreement has been reached. 1082 01:26:57,550 --> 01:26:59,461 As a condition of this agreement, 1083 01:26:59,550 --> 01:27:03,338 the exact terms shall remain private among the parties involved. 1084 01:27:04,430 --> 01:27:06,739 Thank you for your service... 1085 01:27:06,830 --> 01:27:10,618 Our contingency fee, as you know, as you agreed to - 1086 01:27:19,310 --> 01:27:21,619 or 2.2 million. 1087 01:27:21,710 --> 01:27:26,023 Our expenses - what we actually paid out trying this case - 1088 01:27:26,110 --> 01:27:27,941 comes to 3.5 million. 1089 01:27:34,590 --> 01:27:40,267 and dividing it equally, comes out to 375,000 per family. 1090 01:27:50,030 --> 01:27:51,986 And they're gonna clean the place up? 1091 01:27:53,470 --> 01:27:55,029 No. 1092 01:27:58,510 --> 01:28:00,945 When you first came out here, Mr Schlichtmann, 1093 01:28:01,030 --> 01:28:07,344 when we first spoke, I told you I wasn't interested in money. 1094 01:28:07,431 --> 01:28:09,183 Here it comes. 1095 01:28:09,270 --> 01:28:12,343 What I wanted was an apology from someone 1096 01:28:12,431 --> 01:28:15,024 for what they did to my son. 1097 01:28:16,111 --> 01:28:18,829 And you said, money is the apology. 1098 01:28:18,911 --> 01:28:22,823 That's how they apologize - with their chequebooks. 1099 01:28:25,671 --> 01:28:28,105 Would you call this an apology? 1100 01:28:29,870 --> 01:28:31,270 No. 1101 01:28:31,350 --> 01:28:35,469 The only meaningful apology you're going to get is from me. 1102 01:28:35,551 --> 01:28:37,223 I'm sorry. 1103 01:28:40,871 --> 01:28:43,431 I'm afraid that isn't meaningful. 1104 01:28:45,031 --> 01:28:49,070 Mrs Anderson, you're looking at four guys who are broke. 1105 01:28:49,151 --> 01:28:50,982 We lost everything trying this case. 1106 01:28:52,911 --> 01:28:56,870 How can you even begin to compare what you've lost 1107 01:28:56,951 --> 01:28:58,907 to what we've lost? 1108 01:29:41,672 --> 01:29:45,984 Listen, the minute you put money on the table, things turn ugly. 1109 01:29:46,071 --> 01:29:48,427 It happens every time. Forget it. 1110 01:29:48,511 --> 01:29:50,662 But she's right. 1111 01:29:51,792 --> 01:29:53,747 She's not right. 1112 01:29:55,832 --> 01:30:00,383 It's cold. It's wet. We're in the swamp. I want to go home. 1113 01:30:00,471 --> 01:30:03,111 Someone out here saw what happened. 1114 01:30:03,191 --> 01:30:06,582 You can't do what Riley did without somebody seeing it. 1115 01:30:08,112 --> 01:30:10,261 You're talking about the case. 1116 01:30:10,352 --> 01:30:12,229 The case is over. 1117 01:30:22,512 --> 01:30:25,231 Yeah, I know. They want out, right? 1118 01:30:25,312 --> 01:30:27,951 It's time they went their separate way. 1119 01:30:28,032 --> 01:30:30,262 You know what I think of that? 1120 01:30:30,352 --> 01:30:33,039 Fine. Let 'em. 1121 01:30:33,072 --> 01:30:37,031 - I can imagine worse things. - Like what? 1122 01:30:37,112 --> 01:30:39,751 So what if we have to start over? 1123 01:30:39,833 --> 01:30:44,542 We did it once. We can do it again, the two of us. 1124 01:30:52,633 --> 01:30:58,582 Oh, I see. When you say it's over, you mean it's over. 1125 01:31:00,192 --> 01:31:03,150 It's time for me to go my separate way. 1126 01:31:06,592 --> 01:31:09,152 You always went your separate way, Jan. 1127 01:32:09,553 --> 01:32:11,111 Thank you. 1128 01:33:06,993 --> 01:33:11,784 This is how silicone is put on leather to waterproof it. 1129 01:33:11,874 --> 01:33:15,104 Like you poured water on my table. 1130 01:33:15,193 --> 01:33:17,149 Yeah. 1131 01:33:24,714 --> 01:33:28,228 So some of it must spill off the leather, 1132 01:33:28,314 --> 01:33:31,146 like the water spilling off my table. 1133 01:33:34,954 --> 01:33:37,422 That's the part I'm interested in. 1134 01:33:37,514 --> 01:33:40,392 The spilled silicone and trichloroethylene, sir - 1135 01:33:40,474 --> 01:33:42,430 how you disposed of that. 1136 01:33:53,554 --> 01:33:56,432 We're just here to look at your records. 1137 01:34:12,154 --> 01:34:14,793 I didn't call him, he just came. 1138 01:34:14,874 --> 01:34:19,709 - You just let him in? - Of course I did. 1139 01:34:40,674 --> 01:34:44,145 You know how sometimes you get so close to something 1140 01:34:44,235 --> 01:34:46,190 that you lose sight of it? 1141 01:34:49,834 --> 01:34:52,587 I kept looking for someone 1142 01:34:52,674 --> 01:34:55,951 who saw Riley dumping barrels of poison, when I... 1143 01:34:56,034 --> 01:35:00,312 I should've been looking for someone who helped him clean it up. 1144 01:35:07,474 --> 01:35:12,594 Why did you rent two dump trucks and a front loader in October '81? 1145 01:35:12,675 --> 01:35:16,429 Or is this just part of your job at the tannery? 1146 01:35:18,155 --> 01:35:22,033 - Mr Granger? - I don't have to talk to you. 1147 01:35:22,115 --> 01:35:26,586 I can tell you to leave and I'd be within my rights. 1148 01:35:26,675 --> 01:35:28,984 Yes, you would. 1149 01:35:40,715 --> 01:35:45,505 In the fall of 1981, Mr Riley instructed me to rent a loader 1150 01:35:45,595 --> 01:35:48,871 and two 10-wheel dump trucks. 1151 01:35:48,955 --> 01:35:52,664 - Did he tell you why? - Yes, he did. 1152 01:35:52,755 --> 01:35:56,907 Everything goes. I don't want to see anything but topsoil. 1153 01:35:56,995 --> 01:36:02,274 Didn't it seem strange that he had to get rid of it now? 1154 01:36:02,355 --> 01:36:05,586 I don't want to know where. Just take it. 1155 01:36:05,676 --> 01:36:08,236 He told me city inspectors were coming. 1156 01:36:08,315 --> 01:36:10,704 He didn't want them to see it. 1157 01:36:15,755 --> 01:36:18,110 This went on for several nights. 1158 01:36:18,196 --> 01:36:20,151 Fill the trucks, trucks drive off, 1159 01:36:20,236 --> 01:36:24,148 trucks come back empty, we fill them up again. 1160 01:36:25,795 --> 01:36:27,752 On the last night... 1161 01:36:27,835 --> 01:36:29,951 On the last night, what? 1162 01:36:31,595 --> 01:36:34,507 Are you sure you didn't see some kids there? 1163 01:36:34,595 --> 01:36:38,190 - Lighting fires, drinking beers? - I've nothing to say. 1164 01:36:38,276 --> 01:36:41,473 It'd be hard to forget. You know, it's a... 1165 01:36:41,556 --> 01:36:43,512 Apparently, it was quite a sight. 1166 01:36:47,115 --> 01:36:48,344 Go, go, go. 1167 01:36:48,435 --> 01:36:50,904 Watch out! 1168 01:36:50,995 --> 01:36:53,874 This is private property! You little punks! 1169 01:36:53,956 --> 01:36:55,355 That's you! 1170 01:36:55,436 --> 01:36:59,748 You know, mister, I'm sorry. Here's something to make up for it. 1171 01:36:59,836 --> 01:37:01,872 There you go! There - fry! 1172 01:37:03,476 --> 01:37:05,386 I'll have you arrested! 1173 01:37:05,476 --> 01:37:09,593 It's like that now! You want some of that? Eat it! 1174 01:37:25,756 --> 01:37:28,475 Let's go! Let's go! 1175 01:37:30,236 --> 01:37:33,069 - Get the fuck out! - Come on. 1176 01:37:42,916 --> 01:37:45,384 Did Riley threaten you at all 1177 01:37:45,476 --> 01:37:49,435 with what might happen to you if you ever came forward? 1178 01:37:49,516 --> 01:37:51,029 No, sir. 1179 01:37:51,117 --> 01:37:54,712 He didn't say anything at all in this regard? 1180 01:37:59,036 --> 01:38:01,995 He gave me a couple of Celtics tickets. 1181 01:38:02,076 --> 01:38:04,636 Told me to keep my mouth shut. 1182 01:38:40,037 --> 01:38:42,755 The appeals process is even more Byzantine 1183 01:38:42,837 --> 01:38:44,747 than the trial it's appealing. 1184 01:38:46,836 --> 01:38:49,067 It takes longer, it costs more, 1185 01:38:49,157 --> 01:38:51,717 its outcome is even less promising. 1186 01:38:52,876 --> 01:38:56,552 Only five cases in 50 will win in appeals court, 1187 01:38:56,637 --> 01:39:00,232 odds as easy to calculate as they are discouraging. 1188 01:39:00,317 --> 01:39:02,547 They're 10 to 1 against. 1189 01:39:02,637 --> 01:39:05,356 Just about any bet at any table 1190 01:39:05,437 --> 01:39:08,110 in any casino anywhere in the world... 1191 01:39:08,197 --> 01:39:09,949 is better than that. 1192 01:39:13,037 --> 01:39:16,996 I have the evidence but not the resources or the gambling spirit 1193 01:39:17,077 --> 01:39:20,308 to appeal the decision in this case. 1194 01:39:21,597 --> 01:39:23,747 I have no money, no partners, 1195 01:39:23,837 --> 01:39:26,715 and, it seems, no clients any more. 1196 01:39:28,557 --> 01:39:32,597 The Woburn case has become what it was when it first came to me - 1197 01:39:32,631 --> 01:39:34,394 an orphan. 1198 01:39:34,477 --> 01:39:37,684 I'm forwarding it on to you, 1199 01:39:37,717 --> 01:39:42,074 knowing you may not want it any more than I did at first. 1200 01:39:43,158 --> 01:39:45,956 If you do decide to take it on, 1201 01:39:46,037 --> 01:39:49,667 I hope you'll be able to succeed where I've failed. 1202 01:39:49,758 --> 01:39:53,432 If you calculate success and failure as I always have, 1203 01:39:53,518 --> 01:39:56,758 in money divided neatly into human suffering, 1204 01:39:56,791 --> 01:39:59,318 the arithmetic says... 1205 01:39:59,397 --> 01:40:01,353 I failed completely. 1206 01:40:02,877 --> 01:40:06,586 What it doesn't say is if I could go back, 1207 01:40:06,677 --> 01:40:12,149 knowing what I know now and where I'd end up if I got involved, 1208 01:40:12,238 --> 01:40:15,070 knowing all the numbers, all the odds, 1209 01:40:15,157 --> 01:40:17,113 all the angles... 1210 01:40:22,437 --> 01:40:24,588 I'd do it again. 1211 01:41:11,878 --> 01:41:13,470 Sorry. 1212 01:42:12,158 --> 01:42:13,717 Jesus! 1213 01:43:14,400 --> 01:43:15,912 I'm sorry. Yes? 1214 01:43:16,000 --> 01:43:19,912 The purpose of these questions is not to humiliate you, 1215 01:43:19,999 --> 01:43:22,957 but to verify the assets that you've declared. 1216 01:43:23,040 --> 01:43:24,519 I understand. 1217 01:43:24,599 --> 01:43:29,839 Because what you're asking your creditors to believe is... 1218 01:43:29,873 --> 01:43:33,627 - Well, it's hard to believe. - I know. 1219 01:43:33,719 --> 01:43:39,272 After 17 years of practicing law, all you have to show for it is... 1220 01:43:39,360 --> 01:43:42,715 14 dollars in a checking account and a portable radio? 1221 01:43:42,800 --> 01:43:44,597 That's correct. 1222 01:43:49,519 --> 01:43:51,397 Where did it all go? 1223 01:43:52,479 --> 01:43:53,514 The money? 1224 01:43:53,600 --> 01:43:58,390 The money, the property, the personal belongings. 1225 01:43:58,480 --> 01:44:02,871 The things one acquires in one's life, Mr Schlichtmann. 1226 01:44:04,480 --> 01:44:08,519 The things by which one measures one's life. 1227 01:44:24,600 --> 01:44:26,636 What happened?